Don't throw stones, Sarah.





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I don't get it, where did any of these people unrepentant in their terror activities? Does not agreeing with your country make you a terrorist? Ayers is unrepentant and wishes he did more. What did this guy do to give him that label.

Or are you just too dumb not to get the connection between terror and protester? Are you also aware that Iran is not all Muslim either, but also full of Armenians?

Hey, SDS where is the yawn emoticon?

So a potential US president palling around around with a guy who says he hates America and would rather crap on an American flag than salute it is just peachy keen with you? I guess the Rev. Wright/Obama thing is okay by you too?

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How on earth could Sarah associate with any member of a party like this that hates America?! Oh wait, she didn't associate with them, she slept in the same bed and married and gave birth to his children.

Personally, I think it's a total non-story. But would be interested to know what LA or SDS say about it.

Do you know what Ayers actually said about being unrepetant and wishes he did more that you're attributing to him? Not that I support what he did say, or one thing that he ever did as a member of his fukktard group.

This is more of a story than Obama/Ayers, in that there's more of a direct relationship to this crackpot group and Palin (see video of her addressing AIP convention.) I doubt there's a video of Obama addressing a Weather Underground convention.

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That was actually a great speech from her imo. She does a great job with a teleprompter...

That is not an honest post if ever I saw one. Why do you lie to yourself, and then try to talk us into is also? It's kind of annoying.

Explain this:

Sarah Palin goes into labor and jets around for 8 hours... Goes to Alaska to have the baby because: "I wanted to give birth on Alaskan soil."

What the phuck is that? I am pretty sure she was in Washington State when her water broke... Even if she was in Canada, what is the big deal.

Alaskan soil... Would explain that she may believe "The US made us a colony" argument.



Yep... Just jet around for 8 hours and have the child on Alaskan soil.

I am sorry, she is effing whacked.

And yes... You guys that don't agree with me... Use your head... This is related.

Mostly because you're effing whacked.

I guess we will have to wait

I was asking that question to them yesterday. Answer was always "Ayers!!!"

I don't like the association, but I'd be willing to bet even AYERS would be offended to be compared to these bumbleheads. I'm sure Ayers read Chryson's comment: “We want to go our separate ways,” he said, “but we are not going to kill you.” and thinks to himself: "LIGHTWEIGHT. All those guns and no nutsack."

The good news is, if it ever gains traction, all Palin has to do is denounce them, and she'll be forgiven.

No, wait. Only the left can denounce and be forgiven. My bad.

YOU'VE JUST ENTERED THE NO SPIN ZONE LADIES AND GENTLEMAN!

You know what? Obama, with those associations would not have been able to get into the FBI or the SS, the very man who are guarding him. But lets make him President cause its different.

Nor would president bush back in the 1980s and 90s when he was doing coke at Camp David and Obama for his weed habit. Since Obama didn't meet Ayers until a couple years ago, I don't see the FBI accepting 40 year old recruits. I also can't see half of Congress being able to join the FBI or SS, with the lie detector tests and all. Your point?

You're missing the point: Palin hung out with a couple of guys who had guns and wanted Alaska to secede from the US, and that is the same as Obama's association with Reznik, Ayers, Wright, Odinga, so it's a wash.


First, Obama loved coke as well, in case you missed his admission. I never cared much for coke myself. I was a mushroom guy.

Second, it's laughable that Obama's response to Ayers is "I was eight years old, blah, blah, blah" as if the argument has been that Obama used to bomb the Pentagon.

In the end, none of it matters. The right want their old fukc, the left want their radical, the undecided don't even know who they think they're voting for, and as the Democrats have explained: It's over. Obama in a landslide. So there's really no reason to waste any more time, effort or money.

That's why Eryn and me are on the Obama Express, ready to give America the change they think they need.

Actually, all of the bombs the Weathermen and friggin' moron Ayers made and planted were designed NOT to kill people. They were planted to blow up buildings when people weren't there. They even came with evacuation warnings. He has never advocated killing people. None. And the only people ever killed with bombs from the Weathermen, were three Weathermen themselves, the friggin' morons. He has always, even back then, advocated against killing people, the friggin' moron. (some will argue this, like when he said once, "Kill all the rich people")

There was one bomb in San Francisco the azzholes were investigated for two different times that killed one man, a policeman of all things, but no arrests were ever made for lack of evidence. And again, Ayers wasn't specifically involved in this just the group of azzholes he was in and sometimes led. I don't know if they were guilty or not, The Black Panthers were also investigated for it but weren't charged either.

I am just clearing up the record. I am NOT in any way sticking up for the friggin' moron, Ayers, who should have been put in jail for decades (IMO) but wasn't because of misconduct by the US Attorney General John Mitchell and the FBI's Mark Felt, who turned out to be "Deep Throat". Oh, and by the way, the US Prosecutor against the friggin' moron Ayers came out yesterday and said it was completely stupid to link Obama to Ayers in any way.

He was a terrorist, for sure, but he never even wanted to, tried to, advocated for, or actually killed anyone. In fact, he always denounced it.

There are also wild quotes attributed to him from the right, which may or may not be true, that say he did advocate killing people. Who knows. But the fact is he didnt have to do with anyone being killed, except his own friggin' morons, and he wasnt actually there.

The friggin' moron.

EDIT: I wasnt there so I don't know if he ever advocated killing people, or wanted to. So I don't know for sure. He says no and his actions say no. Some people think he did say it and he may have. The fact remains that the Weathermen were serious domestic terrorists, and killed three people, all Weathermen. And could have killed a fourth.

So those things shouldn't be brought up about Obama then, right? Because those things were brought up about Bush. His DUI, his drug use. My point was that Obamas previous associations SHOULD be brought up and discussed, not discarded as nothing. Thanks for your help LT.

I addressed this in another thread but you didn't respond- Why is meeting with Odinga objectionable?

CHOO CHOO!! ALL ABOARD!! I'm there with you brother!!

This was your comment from yesterday. You don't condone the violence, but you have no problem understanding how it could happen. Which I suspect means you can understand how Odinga URGED everyone to kill and burn, which is what he did.

That's where we differ. Real leaders don't lead people to kill, burn and bomb. And yet that seems to be the kind of people Obama hangs out with. And no, it's not an issue of guilt by association. To me, personally, it's a sign of bad judgement. How many times do you hear about problematic football players, and people saying "Well, the first thing Pacman needs to do is change the people he hangs and associates with."

Yet where Obama is concerned, everyone is so busy spinning the problem, no one is hearing the real, true, undeniable objection: you, I and everyone else will forever be known by the company we keep.

Yes, I understand that works both ways, but Obama seems to be surrounded by bad, dangerous people like a hole surrounds itself with a donut.

Tell me please. Yes or no. Do you actually believe, in all the times that Obama may have been in the same room with, had discussions with, or spoke with, they discussed terrorism and the fact that it wasn't a bad thing?

Sure you can say, "I don't know." but please don't. Does it make any sense at all that they would? Do you really think this guy Obama is interested in exploring terrorism in a way that is detrimental to the country one bit? Or that he is sympathetic to any kind of terrorism? Or that by sitting on an education board with someone he advocates domestic terrorism? Or that he seeks out terrorists for friends? Do you believe that the Republican former ambassador Walter Annenberg who gave Chicago schools the grants was a terrorist sympathizer or should have demanded that Ayers not be part of that board? Or his judgment should be questioned?

I don't know. I just know he has a tremendous number of bad associations. And when Walter Annenberg is running for POTUS, we'll discuss him. Simply deflecting this to Annenberg or the Washington state nutjobs doesn't change the fact that Obama is the one who is running for president, and he has an inordinate number of friends who have particularly dangerous backgrounds.

Like I said, it won't matter right now because he's winning this in a landslide, and as is the case with anything like this, only time will determine who is right or wrong. I just don't like his choice of company. But it's like not much different than the Losman/Edwards debate: if Edwards wins and the coaches are right -- even if they're ways I don't agree with -- than being successful trumps my opinion. The same goes for Obama. If he has a way to fix the world -- even if they're ways I don't agree with -- being successful will always trump my opinion because, like you, I ultimately want what is best for our country.

Thank you for a fair and unpatronizing response. I suppose we do differ on that point. The fact that Odinga urged violence is deplorable in that I don't think it was necessary and therefore the violence was not justified. However, in the situation that Kenya and its citizens found itself in- an election that had finally broken the ruling party's 50 year reign of absolute power was wiped out because of massive election fraud- it is wholly understandable that the response would be violence. It is also understandable for the head of that defeated party, after realizing that peaceable, fair elections was not going to achieve any sort of change, ie that Kenya's "democracy" was anything but, would take the next step to change- violent reaction to demonstrate to the ruling party that the unrepresented citizens of Kenya would no longer take it.
Now, like I said, since I don't believe violence was the only option left, I don't condone it. Whether or not Odinga is a real leader is up for interpretation, so I can see where your objection comes from in that respect. However, to object to Obama's meeting with both parties to try and broker a peace deal seems strange to me. From what I read at the time, I cannot recall Obama praising Odinga's response or anything that would suggest that he also condoned the violence. To meet with the leadership of the two main parties in that situation to help mediate an agreement to stop the violence seems like the most appropriate response to me.

Obama is a fraud ,a smooth one at that.

Hangs out and surrounded.

I get it. We've had eight years of xenophobia and fear spread by the GOP, so I understand your paranoia and skepticism over someone who's different. But even you must be aware that you, SDS and erynthered are sounding just as ignorant and shrill as the tin-foil hat crowd you often ridicule.

Neither the Ayers "association," the Rev Wright nonsense, nor Obama's trip to Kenya where Odinga happens to be the PM in any way, shape or form even come close to "surrounding himself with dangerous people." Not by even the most liberal of stretches.

You don't want to vote for Obama, fine. That's your right as a voting citizen. There's probably plenty of actual issues you don't agree with him on. But don't justify not voting for him, or legitimize the absurd notion spewed by right-wing cowards by bleating ad nauseum that Barack Obama is some radical Manchurian candidate hell-bent on destroying the US.

He's been vetted. Extensively by Clinton and now McCain. There's nothing there. Slander and lies is all the GOP has on him, because they can't beat him on the issues. It's the last-ditch effort of a coward to win at all costs. Not sure why you'd want to be lumped with them.

How can anyone pin Ayers on Obama while not pinning the dozen or so Republicans that served on the same board, including Walter Annenberg, a Reagan appointed US diplomat? If Obama is guilty by association, why not the rest of the people in the room?

(I'll answer this one: because the whole Ayers thing is a red herring. Totally meaningless to anything, unless you are a right-tilting, Fox News-watching, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, Neanderthal who is besides him/herself in frustration that your ticket is so utterly incompetent that it's going to lose...THAT'S RIGHT L-O-S-E!!!...to a demmy-crat! Go curl up in the fetal position, flip on Sean Hannity and suck your thumbs.)

PTR

"the Rev Wright nonsense"

Thats some funny shiit.


That tin foil hat you're wearing Johnny is tilted way way to the left my Kool aid drinking friend. Slurp Slurp.

Either way your "man" will be dancin the dance in about 25 days. CHOOO CHOOO!!

Nuff said, thank you!

I put a lot of stock in the concept of "the company you keep."

You don't.

Not a big deal.

It's just more fun than arguing with you about the fact that under Obama we're going to become a socialist nation, which won't be that big of a deal to me once I cut my staff and reduce my income to I can be one of the getters instead of one of the givers.

If it makes you feel better, McCain can take his $300Gzillion mortgage bail out plan and shove it straight up his own ass.

Go Obama/Plugs in '08!! When The Goverment Takes From The Rich And Gives To The Poor, How Bad Can Change Possibly Be???

I would like to hear Sarah Palin or John McCain condemn the "rage" and screams of "kill him" that are being reported to be taking place at their rallies. That they seem more interested in whipping up their followers into a frenzy of hatred is a little worrisome and reflects poorly on them. Failure to protest could be taken as condoning the violence ... which is a little on the terroristic side I would say.

And this would be bad because?

I guess if you, as an individual human being, have no ambitions, no prospects, no ability to respect and accept personal responsibility and accountability, and believe that the government running all aspects of your life is a far, far better thing than you could ever accomplish on your own, then you're probably right. It's not such a bad idea.

By your own admission, you're young and inexperienced in the workforce (based on your toilet overflow drama), currently working a temp job. So I guess if I tried really hard I could maybe, possibly see where letting the government take care of you for the rest of your life would be appealing. But personally speaking, it ain't my gig. Being, theoretically older than you, the way I see it, it would be like I was competing in, say, a sport like football. I work harder than most all offseason to get ready, then work harder than most to earn a roster spot, then work harder than most to earn a starting spot, then be with a team that works harder than most to make the playoffs, then work harder than most to make the Super Bowl, only to show up and have someone suddenly say "This competition thing isn't working, so instead of letting you duke it out for a big trophy, we're going to make 32 little trophies for everyone because that's really the fair way to go. But hey...thanks for the effort."

All the work, sacrifice, defeats and ultimate success over all these years just to I can share with people who live for their entitlements?

No thanks. But hey...if it works for you, enjoy yourself.

Thank you for posting this. In the last few months here there have been a few, including pastajoe, EII, johnny coli, pBills and maybe a hand few of others who have endorsed socialism. Actually saying thats its better than what we have. Its fcuking frighting. Honestly. To have some of these young kool aid drinkers say that it would be better than what we have scares me. Maybe they're still sucking their mothers tit, who knows. Thanks for responding to his nonsense.

How you sat there and punched those keys with out ripping him a new one is beyond me. Thanks again

Watch this and maybe you'll realize how stupid you sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1K4whIv4M0

Maybe you need to check some of the posts of the few that I mentioned. They outright said they'd like to see it. Dont let the facts get in the way of your ignorence. Too late

I'll add your name to the list, beautiful.

Actually he never said he hated America. He hated what the federal gov't was doing to state land and usurping authority.

I swear, if you guys read the founding father you would hate them too. The only federalist in the bunch was Madison, and look at how he turned out.

Nice!



Just answer the question. WTF is the difference between having your child on AK soil or USA soil?

It wasn't just a board dummy, nor was it just once in a while. If it was just the board fine, but it wasn't, and he lied about it.

Now if he lied about his association with this guy why not peg him on lying?

I doubt the FBI or the SS would employ a disabled 72 year old either.

Yes to the first, and it was ridiculous to say he wish he did more.

Ah, you can read. Getting it may be the issue. TL helped me with that point. Guppie that he/she was.

Please go back and read some posts that EII had with each other. He flat out say "yes" to Socialism.

Though then again, maybe your Mom is having you clean your room right now.

That is my take... Scared of socialism? You might atcually have to help someone besides yourself and not piss and moan about it.

As Eryn waves his hand in front of his face:

"Its all about me."

You know nothing of me. Mr. Lenin.

Working with numerous charities for over 25 years is none of this boards business. But please characterize me as someone who doesn't care. Nice one. You and your ilk would prefer to suck on the gov tit for help instead of working within the community to help people in need. Go ahead and throw your stones. You have a history of psycho babble here. You're very popular with that group.

Do you seriously believe that if Obama is elected the goverment will assume control of "running all aspects of your life"?

Your posts were much more coherent when you stuck to simple cut and paste jobs.

Thanx!

What's with the name calling?... I don't mind it, but it is really unbecoming. You just don't like to be told what to do.

Read my post... No need to prove your worth. You seem like a very nice guy, that hasn't changed with my opinion of you.

All I am saying is that a lot of you on the right piss and moan when you are told what to do.

Get used to it.

Here's a cut and paste for you a minute ago. This was a post by you assigned to no one. Just out there in your little mind. You're funny and an idiot all at once.


http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?s=&am...t&p=1165786


(rays just left 3 OB, fcuk)