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elegantelliotoffen
Look at how Obama is outspending McCain in Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia while McCain dropped 1.2 million in Michigan with little success. If the dynamics of the race stay the same I doubt that many Republican donors will be willing to throw good money after bad while Dems will be more likely to give to Obama as he appears to be closer to being elected.

http://wiscadproject.wisc.edu/wiscads_release_100808.pdf
PearlHowardman
As a John McCain voter I seriously think that the McCain campaign should reimburse every person that contributed to his campaign.

Barack Obama is politically target-rich but John McCain is...I don't know what the F John McCain is doing.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (PearlHowardman @ Oct 8 2008, 05:26 PM) *
As a John McCain voter I seriously think that the McCain campaign should reimburse every person that contributed to his campaign.

Barack Obama is politically target-rich but John McCain is...I don't know what the F John McCain is doing.

The problem McCain is having, IMO, is the same thing that I (and many others who have followed him a long time over the years), is not that McCain has somehow lost his way. Not that this is not the John McCain we have come to know. McCain's problem is John McCain, and he is doing exactly what he has always been doing: Trying to act like he is for the people when in reality he is for the person, and that person is John McCain. He's been the biggest fraud for decades, and his brilliance is how he has been able to hoodwink the public as well as the press. But when things go bad, and not John McCain's way, he is exposed for the nasty fraud that he is.
ExiledInIllinois
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 07:34 PM) *
The problem McCain is having, IMO, is the same thing that I (and many others who have followed him a long time over the years), is not that McCain has somehow lost his way. Not that this is not the John McCain we have come to know. McCain's problem is John McCain, and he is doing exactly what he has always been doing: Trying to act like he is for the people when in reality he is for the person, and that person is John McCain. He's been the biggest fraud for decades, and his brilliance is how he has been able to hoodwink the public as well as the press. But when things go bad, and not John McCain's way, he is exposed for the nasty fraud that he is.



What do you expect, he is an Admiral's son.

/dev/null
QUOTE (elegantelliotoffen @ Oct 8 2008, 06:56 PM) *
Look at how Obama is outspending McCain in Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia while McCain dropped 1.2 million in Michigan with little success. If the dynamics of the race stay the same I doubt that many Republican donors will be willing to throw good money after bad while Dems will be more likely to give to Obama as he appears to be closer to being elected.

http://wiscadproject.wisc.edu/wiscads_release_100808.pdf


I would hope Obama is seeing some benefit from outspending McCain that much
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (/dev/null @ Oct 8 2008, 06:02 PM) *
I would hope Obama is seeing some benefit from outspending McCain that much

Even if he is spending 4x the amount of money in some places, he has 10x the difficulty is getting the average American that isn't a politics junkie to know something about him, or what he stands for, or what kind of President he MIGHT make, because he is new. McCain has been around and on the news and TV for 25 years.
Alaska Darin
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 05:05 PM) *
Even if he is spending 4x the amount of money in some places, he has 10x the difficulty is getting the average American that isn't a politics junkie to know something about him, or what he stands for, or what kind of President he MIGHT make, because he is new. McCain has been around and on the news and TV for 25 years.

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Is there no level you're not willing to stoop to? Jesus, in this Microwave society the best thing Obama has going for him is he doesn't have a record and there's not a whole lot of reasons to hate him.
ExiledInIllinois
QUOTE (Alaska Darin @ Oct 8 2008, 08:15 PM) *
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Is there no level you're not willing to stoop to? Jesus, in this Microwave society the best thing Obama has going for him is he doesn't have a record and there's not a whole lot of reasons to hate him.


Again... If he was white and Irish... This thing would be a land slide slam dunk for Obama.

Just saying.
Alaska Darin
QUOTE (ExiledInIllinois @ Oct 8 2008, 05:19 PM) *
Again... If he was white and Irish... This thing would be a land slide slam dunk for Obama.

Just saying.

I don't disagree with that.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (Alaska Darin @ Oct 8 2008, 06:15 PM) *
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Is there no level you're not willing to stoop to? Jesus, in this Microwave society the best thing Obama has going for him is he doesn't have a record and there's not a whole lot of reasons to hate him.

No. Are you always an ass? Oh, I forget, yes.

It's pretty obvious that when 20% of the country still thinks he's a muslim that people don't know who he is. If these people are not watching Fox and CNN and MSNBC, which 99% of the country aren't, and they don't read newspapers anymore, buying local TV time on local stations with tens of millions of dollars, is the way to do it. If what you said is true, he would be losing popularity and not gaining it in these states. His favorability is going way up, which has little to do with the economy. He has clearly, inarguably, except in your hate everything and everyone political world, convinced more people that he is good rather than bad the more they get to see and know him. In the millions, probably tens of millions. People tend to like him. Not everyone. But more than not.

Alaska Darin
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 05:27 PM) *
No. Are you always an ass? Oh, I forget, yes.

More of a dick but you know, consistency is a big reason to love me.
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 05:27 PM) *
It's pretty obvious that when 20% of the country still thinks he's a muslim that people don't know who he is. If these people are not watching Fox and CNN and MSNBC, which 99% of the country aren't, and they don't read newspapers anymore, buying local TV time on local stations with tens of millions of dollars, is the way to do it. If what you said is true, he would be losing popularity and not gaining it in these states. His favorability is going way up, which has little to do with the economy. He has clearly, inarguably, except in your hate everything and everyone political world, convinced more people that he is good rather than bad the more they get to see and know him. In the millions, probably tens of millions. People tend to like him. Not everyone. But more than not.

His favorability is going up mostly because John McCain is playing himself on the campaign trail.

I think it's great people "tend to like him". He's really telegenic and has a nice smile, plus he's well spoken when he has a teleprompter and doesn't have to think for himself. That'll make it seem much less painful when he and his gang of thieves are screwing them good while shredding the Constitution.

But your man love for the guy is quaint. I can't wait to read the next couple of years of your posts defending all of his bull sh--.
Steely Dan
QUOTE (Alaska Darin @ Oct 8 2008, 09:39 PM) *
More of a dick but you know, consistency is a big reason to love me.

His favorability is going up mostly because John McCain is playing himself on the campaign trail.

I think it's great people "tend to like him". He's really telegenic and has a nice smile, plus he's well spoken when he has a teleprompter and doesn't have to think for himself. That'll make it seem much less painful when he and his gang of thieves are screwing them good while shredding the Constitution.

But your man love for the guy is quaint. I can't wait to read the next couple of years of your posts defending all of his bull sh--.


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Ok, how will the Constitution be shredded?
Alaska Darin
QUOTE (Steely Dan @ Oct 8 2008, 05:43 PM) *
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Ok, how will the Constitution be shredded?

The same way they've been systematically dismantling it for the last 100 years or so.

Ignorance is bliss.
ExiledInIllinois
QUOTE (Alaska Darin @ Oct 8 2008, 08:47 PM) *
The same way they've been systematically dismantling it for the last 100 years or so.


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Steely Dan
QUOTE (Alaska Darin @ Oct 8 2008, 09:47 PM) *
The same way they've been systematically dismantling it for the last 100 years or so.

Ignorance is bliss.


I know ignorance pisses me off too. I hate it when people make statements they can't back up so they make vague statements and let it go because they have nothing of intelligence to say. rolleyes.gif
HBSS151
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 06:05 PM) *
Even if he is spending 4x the amount of money in some places, he has 10x the difficulty is getting the average American that isn't a politics junkie to know something about him, or what he stands for, or what kind of President he MIGHT make, because he is new. McCain has been around and on the news and TV for 25 years.


Why Did Obama / McCain just run ads on my local SOCAL station - California is not in play

Or is it a rebate to the local TV contributors ?
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (HBSS151 @ Oct 8 2008, 06:56 PM) *
Why Did Obama / McCain just run ads on my local SOCAL station - California is not in play

Or is it a rebate to the local TV contributors ?

Probably national ads on cable or network, I'm not sure.
Lurker
QUOTE (Steely Dan @ Oct 8 2008, 09:51 PM) *
I know ignorance pisses me off too. I hate it when people make statements they can't back up so they make vague statements and let it go because they have nothing of intelligence to say. rolleyes.gif

You mean like...."I'm a maverick!"
PastaJoe
QUOTE (Steely Dan @ Oct 8 2008, 09:51 PM) *
I know ignorance pisses me off too. I hate it when people make statements they can't back up so they make vague statements and let it go because they have nothing of intelligence to say. rolleyes.gif


Let it go, I think he's still upset about women being allowed to vote.
BlueFire
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 07:34 PM) *
The problem McCain is having, IMO, is the same thing that I (and many others who have followed him a long time over the years), is not that McCain has somehow lost his way. Not that this is not the John McCain we have come to know. McCain's problem is John McCain, and he is doing exactly what he has always been doing: Trying to act like he is for the people when in reality he is for the person, and that person is John McCain. He's been the biggest fraud for decades, and his brilliance is how he has been able to hoodwink the public as well as the press. But when things go bad, and not John McCain's way, he is exposed for the nasty fraud that he is.


The problem McCain is having is the biggest issue is not national security, but the economy.
LABillzFan
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 06:27 PM) *
People tend to like him. Not everyone. But more than not.

I'm hearing he's very popular among the dead and the Luo tribe in Kenya. laugh.gif laugh.gif
yellowlinesandarmadillos
QUOTE (HBSS151 @ Oct 8 2008, 09:56 PM) *
Why Did Obama / McCain just run ads on my local SOCAL station - California is not in play

Or is it a rebate to the local TV contributors ?

LA TV reaches into Nevada and Nevada is in play. So apparently AZ has started coming into play.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 07:38 AM) *
I'm hearing he's very popular among the dead and the Luo tribe in Kenya. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Probably, he more liked and popular than McCain in every country in the world that was polled last week. But i know, I know, it's bad if not catastrophic for an American, or American President, or America itself to be liked and respected around the world. Who needs those parasites and their lousy support and armies and money. It's way better to be hated. We don't need them, we got us.

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WASHINGTON — People around the globe widely expect the next American president to improve the country's policies toward the rest of the world, especially if Barack Obama is elected, yet they retain a persistently poor image of the U.S., according to a poll released Thursday.

The survey of two dozen countries, conducted this spring by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, also found a growing despondency over the international economy, with majorities in 18 nations calling domestic economic conditions poor. In more bad news for the U.S., people shared a widespread sense the American economy was hurting their countries, including large majorities in U.S. allies Britain, Germany, Australia, Turkey, France and Japan.

Even six in 10 Americans agreed the U.S. economy was having a negative impact abroad.

Views of the U.S. improved or stayed the same as last year in 18 nations, the first positive signs the poll has found for the U.S. image worldwide this decade. Even so, many improvements were modest and the U.S. remains less popular in most countries than it was before it invaded Iraq in 2003, with majorities in only eight expressing favorable opinions.

Substantial numbers in most countries said they are closely following the U.S. presidential election, including 83 percent in Japan _ about the same proportion who said so in the U.S. Of those following the campaign, optimism that the new president will reshape American foreign policy for the better is substantial, with the largest segment of people in 14 countries _ including the U.S. _ saying so.

Andrew Kohut, president of Pew, said many seem to be hoping the U.S. role in the world will improve with the departure of President Bush, who remains profoundly unpopular almost everywhere.

"People think the U.S. wants to run the world," said Kohut. "It's not more complicated than that."

Countries most hopeful the new president will improve U.S. policies include France, Spain and Germany, where public opposition to Bush's policies in Iraq and elsewhere has been strong. Strong optimism also came from countries where pique with U.S. policies has been less pronounced, including India, Nigeria, Tanzania and South Africa.

Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon have the strongest expectations the next president will worsen U.S. policies, consistent with the skepticism expressed on many issues in the survey by Muslim countries. Japan, Turkey, Russia, South Korea and Mexico had large numbers saying the election would change little.

Among those tracking the American election, greater numbers in 20 countries expressed more confidence in Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, than John McCain, the Republican candidate, to handle world affairs properly. The two contenders were tied in the U.S., Jordan and Pakistan. Obama's edge was largest in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Tanzania and Indonesia, where he lived for a time as a child.

The U.S. was the only country where most expressed confidence in McCain. Besides the countries where he and Obama were tied, McCain's smallest gaps against his rival were in India and China, where neither man engenders much confidence.

The U.S. is seen as the world's leading economic power by 22 countries in the survey. Yet in 11 countries, more think China will replace the U.S. as the world's dominant superpower or has already done so than predict that will never happen.

At the same time, China's favorable ratings have edged downward since last year, with widespread worry over its military power, pollution and human rights record. The survey was taken during China's crackdown on unrest in Tibet, but before last month's earthquake in China.

The poll also found:

_Sixty percent or more had favorable views of the U.S. in South Korea, Poland, India, Tanzania, Nigeria and South Africa. One in five or fewer had positive impressions in Egypt, Argentina, Jordan, Pakistan and Turkey.

_Nine in 10 in South Korea and Lebanon say their economies are in bad shape, while eight in 10 Chinese, seven in 10 Australians and six in 10 Indians say theirs are strong.

_Hillary Rodham Clinton, who lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, generally was rated higher than McCain overseas but lower than Obama.

_There is growing pessimism that a stable democratic government will take hold in Iraq, with majorities only in Nigeria, India and Tanzania predicting success.

_Only in the U.S., Britain and Australia do most want U.S. and NATO forces to say in Afghanistan.

_Iran is viewed mostly negatively. Even the eight countries in the survey with large Muslim populations have mixed views. In six of those eight, Muslims oppose Iran getting nuclear weapons.

The polling was conducted from March 17-April 21, mostly in April, interviewing adults face to face in 17 countries and by telephone in the remaining seven. Local languages were used.

The number interviewed in each country ranged from 700 in Australia to 3,212 in China. All samples were national except for China, Pakistan, India and Brazil, where the samples were mostly urban. The margins of sampling error were plus or minus 3 percentage points or 4 points in every country but China and India, where it was 2 points.
LABillzFan
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 9 2008, 08:23 AM) *
Probably, he more liked and popular than McCain in every country in the world that was polled last week. But i know, I know, it's bad if not catastrophic for an American, or American President, or America itself to be liked and respected around the world. Who needs those parasites and their lousy support and armies and money. It's way better to be hated. We don't need them, we got us.

You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields.

"You like me. You really, really like me!!!"

Big fukcing deal.


elegantelliotoffen
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 11:28 AM) *
You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields.

"You like me. You really, really like me!!!"

Big fukcing deal.


Who needs alliances, right?
pBills
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 11:28 AM) *
You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields.

"You like me. You really, really like me!!!"

Big fukcing deal.



The left is desperate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I guess those right-wing attacks just show that they are way up in the polls. wallbash.gif wallbash.gif wallbash.gif
LABillzFan
QUOTE (pBills @ Oct 9 2008, 08:31 AM) *
The left is desperate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I guess those right-wing attacks just show that they are way up in the polls. wallbash.gif wallbash.gif wallbash.gif

I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a "desperate need to have people like them."

Look, I get it. Obama is winning. He and Plugs would have to be caught butt-fukcing a walrus on Keith Olberman's desk to screw this up. Personally, I think it's great. Unchecked power is precisely what this apathetic country needs to wake them up.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 08:28 AM) *
You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields.

"You like me. You really, really like me!!!"

Big fukcing deal.

Actually, myself and a lot of other people think that one of the major reasons that the Iraq war was ill-fated and didn't work was precisely the attitude you just expressed. Bush started it before 9/11. He basically said to the world, we're bigger than you, and we don't need you, so fukk you. It was expressed in several treaties, predominantly the Kyoto Treaty (which may have been bad). But Bush said to the rest of the world, including our allies, "My way or the highway". Then when 9/11 struck and he tried to get these same countries behind him for something they didn't believe in, they said "Fukk you", you're so tough, do it alone." That's why he couldn't get the coalition his father did and that's one of the major reasons it was so stupid and it failed. Then they laughed at us.

Getting the world on your side is not because lefties want everyone to love us. Getting the world on your side is essential to our continued culture and dominance. Frankly, I like being the good guy. It's served our nation well for 230+ years.

BTW, he doesn't believe in sitting down with bad people with no pre-conditions. It's a stupid argument. He's explained it 100 times. It's basically the same thing the five former Secretaries of State including two Republicans just came out and said.
LABillzFan
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 9 2008, 08:45 AM) *
Getting the world on your side is essential to our continued culture and dominance. Frankly, I like being the good guy. It's served our nation well for 230+ years.

Right up to the moment we let them fly our planes into our buildings. Then, not so much.
erynthered
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 11:28 AM) *
You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields.

"You like me. You really, really like me!!!"

Big fukcing deal.


Nice. wink.gif

You know what else is funny? He'd sit down with Ahmadinezad (sp) with no preconditions, but wouldn't sit down with fox news without preconditions. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Joe In Macungie
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 9 2008, 11:45 AM) *
Actually, myself and a lot of other people think that one of the major reasons that the Iraq war was ill-fated and didn't work was precisely the attitude you just expressed. Bush started it before 9/11. He basically said to the world, we're bigger than you, and we don't need you, so fukk you. It was expressed in several treaties, predominantly the Kyoto Treaty (which may have been bad). But Bush said to the rest of the world, including our allies, "My way or the highway". Then when 9/11 struck and he tried to get these same countries behind him for something they didn't believe in, they said "Fukk you", you're so tough, do it alone." That's why he couldn't get the coalition his father did and that's one of the major reasons it was so stupid and it failed. Then they laughed at us.

Getting the world on your side is not because lefties want everyone to love us. Getting the world on your side is essential to our continued culture and dominance. Frankly, I like being the good guy. It's served our nation well for 230+ years.


Want the last laugh? make the fukcing Euros defend themselves.

Take every last American soldier out of Europe. End NATO. Let them sink or swim on their own and when the Islamists come knocking and kill their sedate citizens, send them a boquet. I'm tired of the Euros and their holier-than-thou approach. We should have let the USSR steamroll them.

No point in being the "nice guy" if you're not willing to back it up with force.

pBills
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 11:37 AM) *
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a "desperate need to have people like them."

Look, I get it. Obama is winning. He and Plugs would have to be caught butt-fukcing a walrus on Keith Olberman's desk to screw this up. Personally, I think it's great. Unchecked power is precisely what this apathetic country needs to wake them up.




You keep mentioning unchecked power... unchecked backgrounds yet you keep forgetting to mention Palins associations? Come on she will be one bad 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency. Frightening.
Joe In Macungie
QUOTE (pBills @ Oct 9 2008, 11:48 AM) *
You keep mentioning unchecked power... unchecked backgrounds yet you keep forgetting to mention Palins associations? Come on she will be one bad 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency. Frightening.

Speaking of unchecked backgrounds...

How's it working out for those Kenyan Islamists?

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elegantelliotoffen
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 11:48 AM) *
Right up to the moment we let them fly our planes into our buildings. Then, not so much.


So 9/11 happened because the world liked us too much?
Joe In Macungie
QUOTE (elegantelliotoffen @ Oct 9 2008, 11:50 AM) *
So 9/11 happened because the world like us too much?


9/11 happened because we were too worried about what the rest of the world thought about us.

pBills
QUOTE (JoeSixPack @ Oct 9 2008, 11:49 AM) *
Speaking of unchecked backgrounds...

How's it working out for those Kenyan Islamists?

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Joe In Macungie
QUOTE (pBills @ Oct 9 2008, 11:53 AM) *
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Yes, yes, GOD FORBID anyone bring up Obama's associations. Becasue who you associate with doesn't reflect who you are, right?

I must be a racist. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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elegantelliotoffen
QUOTE (JoeSixPack @ Oct 9 2008, 11:50 AM) *
9/11 happened because we were too worried about what the rest of the world thought about us.


Meaning?
Joe In Macungie
QUOTE (elegantelliotoffen @ Oct 9 2008, 11:55 AM) *
Meaning?

Meaning that we didn't exercise our military power when we should have (read: under the not-so-watchful eye of Bill Clinton) to snuff out the threat that was al-Quaeda for FEAR of upsetting the Euro-trash, the UN, and the likes of YOU.
elegantelliotoffen
QUOTE (JoeSixPack @ Oct 9 2008, 11:58 AM) *
Meaning that we didn't exercise our military power when we should have (read: under the not-so-watchful eye of Bill Clinton) to snuff out the threat that was al-Quaeda for FEAR of upsetting the Euro-trash, the UN, and the likes of YOU.


I seem to remember "the likes of YOU" up in arms when Clinton tried to kill OBL in 1998 and accused him of trying to distract the public from the essential issue at hand-whether or not he got a hummer from a fat chick.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 08:48 AM) *
Right up to the moment we let them fly our planes into our buildings. Then, not so much.

So because a small percentage of the world hates us, we should hate everyone, including our allies? You're sounding as smart as Sarah Palin these days.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (JoeSixPack @ Oct 9 2008, 08:58 AM) *
Meaning that we didn't exercise our military power when we should have (read: under the not-so-watchful eye of Bill Clinton) to snuff out the threat that was al-Quaeda for FEAR of upsetting the Euro-trash, the UN, and the likes of YOU.

According to McCain we can't just going killing bin Laden or al Qaeda members without expressed written permission from the Pakistanis.
LABillzFan
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 9 2008, 08:45 AM) *
BTW, he doesn't believe in sitting down with bad people with no pre-conditions. It's a stupid argument.

Explain to me how THIS is a stupid argument? Explain what he meant if he didn't mean what he said.

He said, point blank, he would sit down without pre-conditions.

Maybe the video is lying????
Ramius
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 11:37 AM) *
I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a "desperate need to have people like them."

Look, I get it. Obama is winning. He and Plugs would have to be caught butt-fukcing a walrus on Keith Olberman's desk to screw this up. Personally, I think it's great. Unchecked power is precisely what this apathetic country needs to wake them up.


I'm assuming you're also including the past 8 years when you refer to "unchecked power" as well?
StupidNation
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Oct 8 2008, 07:34 PM) *
The problem McCain is having, IMO, is the same thing that I (and many others who have followed him a long time over the years), is not that McCain has somehow lost his way. Not that this is not the John McCain we have come to know. McCain's problem is John McCain, and he is doing exactly what he has always been doing: Trying to act like he is for the people when in reality he is for the person, and that person is John McCain. He's been the biggest fraud for decades, and his brilliance is how he has been able to hoodwink the public as well as the press. But when things go bad, and not John McCain's way, he is exposed for the nasty fraud that he is.


Take your post, replace every McCain with Obama, and you are exactly right except it's 10x worse. The only difference is the "decades" you mention. Obama is the pinnacle of what is wrong with this country, and he's much worse than McCain. Obama is a man who lacks the experience to really know the role of what he is ascending to, even by his own admission, and he hardly knows the role of a senator as he has campaigned more than known his own job.

What does it say that a man won his seat just to be president in his first term? The difference between Obama and McCain is the Devil we know (McCain) vs. the Devil we don't know (Obama). Obama's win, which will happen in IMO, will be one of the greatest shams in political history. As much as I don't like McCain he has experience in federal politics, Obama has ZERO as he never worked his job in any degree of seriousness. I don't like either of their policies in just about all respects, but this is the worst choice America has seen and he's being eaten up by the press and the world as a rock-star. It's absolutely frightening to think how dumb Americans are.
LABillzFan
QUOTE (Ramius @ Oct 9 2008, 09:18 AM) *
I'm assuming you're also including the past 8 years when you refer to "unchecked power" as well?

Up until the Democrats took over Congress. This isn't a left or right thing. Either side having unchecked power is not good.
Joe In Macungie
QUOTE (elegantelliotoffen @ Oct 9 2008, 12:02 PM) *
I seem to remember "the likes of YOU" up in arms when Clinton tried to kill OBL in 1998 and accused him of trying to distract the public from the essential issue at hand-whether or not he got a hummer from a fat chick.


The f*ck are you talking about? I thought he didn't do ENOUGH. He should have invaded Afghanistan and/or Sudan.
LABillzFan
QUOTE (JoeSixPack @ Oct 9 2008, 09:28 AM) *
The f*ck are you talking about? I thought he didn't do ENOUGH. He should have invaded Afghanistan and/or Sudan.

I'm not sure how I could get through the day with a few juicy liberal generalizations. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (StupidNation @ Oct 9 2008, 09:18 AM) *
Take your post, replace every McCain with Obama, and you are exactly right except it's 10x worse. The only difference is the "decades" you mention. Obama is the pinnacle of what is wrong with this country, and he's much worse than McCain. Obama is a man who lacks the experience to really know the role of what he is ascending to, even by his own admission, and he hardly knows the role of a senator as he has campaigned more than known his own job.

What does it say that a man won his seat just to be president in his first term? The difference between Obama and McCain is the Devil we know (McCain) vs. the Devil we don't know (Obama). Obama's win, which will happen in IMO, will be one of the greatest shams in political history. As much as I don't like McCain he has experience in federal politics, Obama has ZERO as he never worked his job in any degree of seriousness. I don't like either of their policies in just about all respects, but this is the worst choice America has seen and he's being eaten up by the press and the world as a rock-star. It's absolutely frightening to think how dumb Americans are.

No, Obama orchestrated his own rise with his education, street smarts, political savvy (which also includes political shrewdness if not viciousness), his talent as a speaker and as someone who gets people to believe in him (no small feat and essential for a good leader), his decisions, and, most importantly, the people he has chosen as his staff on his campaign and his slew of advisers. It's not a sham, it's terrific politicking. That's what he is, a politician. That's who you want running the country, someone who can listen, think, make decisions to win, get people to believe in him and his vision, and surround himself with other smart people that help him get there.

People are giving him no credit for his meteoric rise, when he has been pulling the strings or surrounded himself with people that have been fabulous at making decisions.
Faking a roughing
QUOTE (LABillzFan @ Oct 9 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Explain to me how THIS is a stupid argument? Explain what he meant if he didn't mean what he said.

He said, point blank, he would sit down without pre-conditions.

Maybe the video is lying????

there's a huge difference between without preconditions and without preparation

There is no way you can expect a country like Iran to (as an example) shutdown their nuclear research and stop assisting radical militants before you sit down with them. That is so f'ing ridiculous to even think that would work out, ever. It's also highly unlikely that sanctions will force them to concede either, given China and Russia's stance.

No, you prepare and do your homework, then try to negotiate (as an example) economic assistance in exchange for some strategic giveback like uranium enrichment. Will it work? Nobody knows yet, but to rattle your sabers or expect them to stop doing the things that you hate before you sit down with their leaders is a fantasy.
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