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Jack D. Ripper
Not sure if it has been posted but...

I suppose we will see:

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/10142859

"The last rookie to sign ended his standoff Wednesday when Jacksonville Jaguars' first-round pick Derrick Harvey agreed to a five-year deal that could pay him $30 million.

That leaves Buffalo Bills tackle Jason Peters as the only player not with his team, making him the last holdout.

The Bills are holding their ground on Peters, who wants a new contract. And they should.
Why?

Like Harvey, Peters will show up. Nobody sits out seasons any more in the NFL. There's too much money to be made and only so many earning years in a body.

Harvey wasn't going to sit out a season, and neither will Peters. The Jaguars knew it, and pretty much held their ground. The Bills know it, too. Peters is scheduled to make $3.25 million this season, which is $191,175 per game, on a deal he signed in 2006.

Want to bet he's there on opening day?"
VOR
The problem is that Parker has a reputation to uphold. I can easily holding Peters out just to not make himself look like a chump to prospective clients.
eball
QUOTE (VOR @ Aug 27 2008, 04:41 PM) *
The problem is that Parker has a reputation to uphold. I can easily holding Peters out just to not make himself look like a chump to prospective clients.

Is Parker going to pay Jason his salary? Sorry, that's a ridiculous assertion you just typed.
VOR
QUOTE (eball @ Aug 27 2008, 04:46 PM) *
Is Parker going to pay Jason his salary? Sorry, that's a ridiculous assertion you just typed.

Why does Parker care? Peters was like found money. The worst thing that happens is Peters fires him. Parker isn't losing any money.
Ned Flanders
It's all about saving face at this point...Parker has to hatch a scheme so his client can declare victory, regardless of whether or not a new contract is reached.

Maybe Parker can take a page outta Hillary's playbook to develop this strategy.... dry.gif
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (VOR @ Aug 27 2008, 01:41 PM) *
The problem is that Parker has a reputation to uphold. I can easily holding Peters out just to not make himself look like a chump to prospective clients.

parker has a very good reputation, and when Peters signs his huge deal down the road, Parker will not look bad, he will look like a genius. If Peters gets hurt and never gets the contract, or doesn't play well, Parker won't look bad, Peters will. I see little downside for the agent, unfortunately. Plus he has 45 or so clients signed and playing already.
eball
QUOTE (VOR @ Aug 27 2008, 04:48 PM) *
Why does Parker care? Peters was like found money. The worst thing that happens is Peters fires him. Parker isn't losing any money.

Doesn't that mean Parker loses face? You're not making sense.
gringo starr
I realize that Peters will most likely play this year, maybe even in week 1. And that this is really not much more than posturing and not much harm done, etc…

Still though, I really do hope both of those greedy bastards die of testicular elephantitis and rot in hell right after the Bills win the Super Bowl this year.
Hamdan's Revenge
I just wish we knew they were talking. Then i might believe it but im preparing for walker to be the LT and Chambers to be the RT
Mickey
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 04:50 PM) *
parker has a very good reputation, and when Peters signs his huge deal down the road, Parker will not look bad, he will look like a genius. If Peters gets hurt and never gets the contract, or doesn't play well, Parker won't look bad, Peters will. I see little downside for the agent, unfortunately. Plus he has 45 or so clients signed and playing already.

I don't think embarassment, reputation, pride, etc, have anything to do with anything. I just think that Peters had nothing to lose and everything to gain by holding out, so he did. I have said it over and over that this has cost him nothing and won't cost him anything more if he comes in early enough so that he doesn't miss any game checks. We will have lost him for the first 2-3 games or 18% of the season. He hasn't paid a penny in fines and even if he does, I wouldn't be surprised if Parker agreed to reduce his cut accordingly when that big deal eventually does come.

All this talk about Parker and Peters trying to save face, coming crawling back is melodramatic. It is the team that will be out a top LT for 2-3 games while Parker and Peters lose nothing.

The only way you can argue that this cost Peters is if you think he would have been given a new deal if he had reported but that notion has been debunked many times over.
Mickey
QUOTE (Ned Flanders @ Aug 27 2008, 04:49 PM) *
It's all about saving face at this point...Parker has to hatch a scheme so his client can declare victory, regardless of whether or not a new contract is reached.

Maybe Parker can take a page outta Hillary's playbook to develop this strategy.... dry.gif

Saving face?? This is an agent we are talking about here, they don't care about that, they care about $$.

Peters wasn't going to get a new deal if he reported on time so he took a shot at holding out. If it doesn't work, and certainly it hasn't so far, what has the effort cost him? Nada.

And it will be the same next year because he will still have 2 years left on his current contract.
BuffaloBilliever
I can honestly say that I don't think with Steven Jackson's new deal he's hurting for cash right now.
VOR
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 04:50 PM) *
parker has a very good reputation, and when Peters signs his huge deal down the road, Parker will not look bad, he will look like a genius. If Peters gets hurt and never gets the contract, or doesn't play well, Parker won't look bad, Peters will. I see little downside for the agent, unfortunately. Plus he has 45 or so clients signed and playing already.

I agree that there's little downside for Parker. So what's the harm in sitting out at least a couple games, at least? And if Peters fires him, he'll say (to prospective clients) "Peters didn't stay the course." Again I hope I'm wrong, but if they've come this far...
Dr. K
QUOTE (Mickey @ Aug 27 2008, 05:19 PM) *
I have said it over and over ...


You certainly have. flirt.gif
Big Bad Boone
QUOTE (Mickey @ Aug 27 2008, 05:19 PM) *
I don't think embarassment, reputation, pride, etc, have anything to do with anything. I just think that Peters had nothing to lose and everything to gain by holding out, so he did. I have said it over and over that this has cost him nothing and won't cost him anything more if he comes in early enough so that he doesn't miss any game checks. We will have lost him for the first 2-3 games or 18% of the season. He hasn't paid a penny in fines and even if he does, I wouldn't be surprised if Parker agreed to reduce his cut accordingly when that big deal eventually does come.

All this talk about Parker and Peters trying to save face, coming crawling back is melodramatic. It is the team that will be out a top LT for 2-3 games while Parker and Peters lose nothing.

The only way you can argue that this cost Peters is if you think he would have been given a new deal if he had reported but that notion has been debunked many times over.

If Peters can make this season a replica of last season, he will get paid over the offseason.

This holdout has lessened the odds that he does that.

Therefore, he's less likely to get the monster deal he's after.
Bill from NYC
QUOTE (Big Bad Boone @ Aug 27 2008, 06:52 PM) *
If Peters can make this season a replica of last season, he will get paid over the offseason.

This holdout has lessened the odds that he does that.

Therefore, he's less likely to get the monster deal he's after.


I respectfully disagree.

Even if you are right in some sort of principle, Peters has a train load of talent, and there will always be a crazy market for people who can be dominant LTs in the NFL. It won't stop; it will only increase. Remember, he is still a kid, with room to improve.

I also offer that the OL will have played together as a unit, Trent will have more experience, as will Lynch. They seem to have a better OC and I think a better OL coach.
This team can be good BBB, but it needs Jason Peters to take it to the next level.

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John from Hemet
I still think that there will be some sort of compromise.....

Peters will come in....and something will happen with his deal.

I just dont want to see him get a deal before Lee Evans.....WHO DID IT RIGHT
gobillsinytown
QUOTE (Big Bad Boone @ Aug 27 2008, 06:52 PM) *
If Peters can make this season a replica of last season, he will get paid over the offseason.

This holdout has lessened the odds that he does that.

Therefore, he's less likely to get the monster deal he's after.


I think there's definitely some risk for Peters, because he hasn't played or practiced at all since last year. Unless he's a workout warrior, he's not going to be in shape to play, and there's going to be a lot of pressure on him to play, even from his teammates. So the risk is that he gets nicked and dinged up all season, which affects his performance. Or worse, he gets a season-ending injury, which will reduce his leverage in negotions for a new contract, either with this team or any potential new ones. After all, what's to stop him from pulling the exact same stunt with another team if the Bills were to get tired of him?

G. Host
I think there is a good chance that Peters will be sitting on the bench for a number of games until he gets his game wind and coordination in. The fact that his not the sharpest tool in the box will hurt him even more learning whatever changes in system occurred. Overall I think this will hurt more than help in immediate-to-short term time period and whether it helps long term is determined by how long he needs to be in detention, how ugly him and his agent make it and how long it takes for him to adjust.
clownments22
QUOTE (John from Hemet @ Aug 27 2008, 07:13 PM) *
I still think that there will be some sort of compromise.....

Peters will come in....and something will happen with his deal.

I just dont want to see him get a deal before Lee Evans.....WHO DID IT RIGHT


That's an excellent point. Problem is, the Bills need Peters more than he needs the Bills right now, and we probably need Peters more than we need Evans too. Any talk about the bills breaking the playoff drought this year stops without Peters on the team. I was all for giving Peters a new contract so that we don't once again let all our best players walk, but the FO has made it pretty clear that will not be happening, which concerns me.

I stated at the beginning of August that I was not worried about Peters at all... gone are those days! He needs to get in here immediately if not sooner.
Big Bad Boone
QUOTE (Bill from NYC @ Aug 27 2008, 07:00 PM) *
I respectfully disagree.

Even if you are right in some sort of principle, Peters has a train load of talent, and there will always be a crazy market for people who can be dominant LTs in the NFL. It won't stop; it will only increase. Remember, he is still a kid, with room to improve.

I also offer that the OL will have played together as a unit, Trent will have more experience, as will Lynch. They seem to have a better OC and I think a better OL coach.
This team can be good BBB, but it needs Jason Peters to take it to the next level.

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What principle?

Again, if Peters makes this season an exact replica of his play last season, the Bills will pay him over the offseason. They just want to see more than a year of Pro Bowl-calibre play before making him one of the highest-paid players in the league.

1) We don't know what kind of shape he's in. The injury probably effected his conditioning early in the offseason, so getting into camp could have helped him get back in game shape. 2) He also has to learn a new offense, and he's put himself way behind the learning curve. Eleven days from the opener, and he hasn't as much as opened a playbook or spoken to his offensive coordinator. 3) The usual process of working off rust and getting used to the speed of the game, which every player goes through in training camp and preseason, hasn't even started yet for Peters.

I'm not saying he can't have a great season. I'm just saying the odds of Peters duplicating last year (and therefore getting the contract he wants) have just gone down.

That means the statement, "Peters hasn't yet been hurt by this," which was what Mickey said, is completely false in my opinion. He's lowered the chances that he gets what he wants.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (VOR @ Aug 27 2008, 03:10 PM) *
I agree that there's little downside for Parker. So what's the harm in sitting out at least a couple games, at least? And if Peters fires him, he'll say (to prospective clients) "Peters didn't stay the course." Again I hope I'm wrong, but if they've come this far...

I don't think there is much of an upside in it. I don't think they are going to be rewarded for turning your back on the team. Up until now, IMO, Parker may very well have been saying to Peters: "Look, everyone knows you deserve the money, and you deserve it now. The Bills are not willing to give it to us right now. But I think we should sit out the pre-season and see what happens. Maybe they will realize how much they need you, maybe the new GM will panic, he's young and has a bright future but he's still green, maybe the guys backing you up will show them how much of a dropoff there is between you and him, maybe, God forbid, there is an injury and they will be desperate for you, maybe the players like Trent will start to lobby for you knowing we're close to the playoffs and we can't get there without a solid LT.

There is a lot that can happen, Jason, and we just don't know if the Bills will buckle. But we must stay resolute. Ultimately, if they don't buckle, it will set a strong standard for next year. They will know we are serious and capable. We'll let them off the hook once and be a team player but not twice. You're not going to miss any games or any paychecks. Any fines they give us I will get you back, I promise. If they don't buckle, just stay in shape, get ready to play on a moments notice, and we'll come in a week before the real bullets fly, and work our butts off to get in the playoffs."

None of that happened. The Bills didn't buckle. The injuries didn't force the hand. The back-ups played pretty well. The young GM played it smart. They did set the precedent for doing it again next year. And now he will come in. It's possible he will wait a few weeks but I just don't think so.
BeastMode54
I've said it before in a previosu thread. I don't understand why we don't know more. All of what everyone says here is speculation. There hasn't been any word from Parker or Peters. Everything is speculation. I understand that Buffalo is a small market with limited, if any, media attention, but why can't one reporter, journalist, etc. find out more about the situation. Even if it's just the whereabouts of Peters. I don't get it. Do some investigating! If this was a player on almost any other team, there would be more info IMO
Paup 1995MVP
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 04:50 PM) *
parker has a very good reputation, and when Peters signs his huge deal down the road, Parker will not look bad, he will look like a genius. If Peters gets hurt and never gets the contract, or doesn't play well, Parker won't look bad, Peters will. I see little downside for the agent, unfortunately. Plus he has 45 or so clients signed and playing already.


Who is Peters going to sign his huge deal with? He is under contract to us for 3 more SEASONS. But it looks like he does not want to play for us any longer. Why do so many of you on this board feel that Peters is just going to all of a sudden show up at One Bills Drive? It is not going to happen. And at this point do we really want him? I honestly think the best move for the Bills is to let him sit the entire year if he wants to, and than try and trade him for some high draft picks before next years draft. I have got to believe that at this point Jauron and his staff are preparing to move forward this season without him. And that is fine with me.
Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog
QUOTE (Paup 1995MVP @ Aug 27 2008, 06:38 PM) *
Who is Peters going to sign his huge deal with? He is under contract to us for 3 more SEASONS. But it looks like he does not want to play for us any longer. Why do so many of you on this board feel that Peters is just going to all of a sudden show up at One Bills Drive? It is not going to happen. And at this point do we really want him? I honestly think the best move for the Bills is to let him sit the entire year if he wants to, and than try and trade him for some high draft picks before next years draft. I have got to believe that at this point Jauron and his staff are preparing to move forward this season without him. And that is fine with me.

Last I looked he hasn't missed a game yet this year. Why do you want to get rid of our best player when he hasn't missed a game yet? All will be forgotten when he comes in and starts pancaking people and literally and figuratively protecting Trent's backside. You will love him too. Why is it so hard to understand the guy just wants to be paid what he thinks he is worth and a lot of people around the league think he is worth, and that when he realizes he is going to have to wait for it awhile, he will come in and work for it. It's a pretty simple concept.
Rubes
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 06:33 PM) *
I don't think there is much of an upside in it. I don't think they are going to be rewarded for turning your back on the team. Up until now, IMO, Parker may very well have been saying to Peters: "Look, everyone knows you deserve the money, and you deserve it now. The Bills are not willing to give it to us right now. But I think we should sit out the pre-season and see what happens. Maybe they will realize how much they need you, maybe the new GM will panic, he's young and has a bright future but he's still green, maybe the guys backing you up will show them how much of a dropoff there is between you and him, maybe, God forbid, there is an injury and they will be desperate for you, maybe the players like Trent will start to lobby for you knowing we're close to the playoffs and we can't get there without a solid LT.

There is a lot that can happen, Jason, and we just don't know if the Bills will buckle. But we must stay resolute. Ultimately, if they don't buckle, it will set a strong standard for next year. They will know we are serious and capable. We'll let them off the hook once and be a team player but not twice. You're not going to miss any games or any paychecks. Any fines they give us I will get you back, I promise. If they don't buckle, just stay in shape, get ready to play on a moments notice, and we'll come in a week before the real bullets fly, and work our butts off to get in the playoffs."

None of that happened. The Bills didn't buckle. The injuries didn't force the hand. The back-ups played pretty well. The young GM played it smart. The did set the precedent for doing it again next year. And now he will come in. It's possible he will wait a few weeks but I just don't think so.


That seems to me to be one of the most level-headed and logical arguments about this situation that I've seen so far.

plenzmd1
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 09:46 PM) *
All will be forgotten when he comes in and starts pancaking people and literally and figuratively protecting Trent's backside. You will love him to. .

count me in this crowd, I have a very short memory if the guy helps th Fellas win thumbsup.gif
koozyburger
QUOTE (VOR @ Aug 27 2008, 03:41 PM) *
The problem is that Parker has a reputation to uphold. I can easily holding Peters out just to not make himself look like a chump to prospective clients.

Parker is an IDIOT. Peters is acting like a 13 year old who doesn't get their way so his answer is the silent treatment. He needs to fire the idiot and report to the team. What kind of advice is this guy giving him. He is only hurting himself and his reputation.
I know the Bills want to stand their ground but this is the NFL and you do not have many chances to succeed. Why not send someone to visit peters and talk with him one to one. This doesn't mean we are giving in but it is showing that the team cares about the upcoming season. If the guy is potentially not happy with his contract or just does not like the city or the cold then we need to trade him ASAP. We can use the roster spot for someone else who is more hungry to play.
Koufax
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 06:46 PM) *
Last I looked he hasn't missed a game yet this year. Why do you want to get rid of our best player when he hasn't missed a game yet? All will be forgotten when he comes in and starts pancaking people and literally and figuratively protecting Trent's backside. You will love him too. Why is it so hard to understand the guy just wants to be paid what he thinks he is worth and a lot of people around the league think he is worth, and that when he realizes he is going to have to wait for it awhile, he will come in and work for it. It's a pretty simple concept.


Exactly. While I am disappointed that he is not in uniform and am concerned it will hurt our team especially early in the season, the reality is almost in the Allen Iverson "practice" stuff, we are talking about the pre-season, and as long as he is in uniform and ready to go in week 1 all will be forgiven.
Trader
QUOTE (BeastMode54 @ Aug 27 2008, 08:38 PM) *
I've said it before in a previosu thread. I don't understand why we don't know more. All of what everyone says here is speculation. There hasn't been any word from Parker or Peters. Everything is speculation. I understand that Buffalo is a small market with limited, if any, media attention, but why can't one reporter, journalist, etc. find out more about the situation. Even if it's just the whereabouts of Peters. I don't get it. Do some investigating! If this was a player on almost any other team, there would be more info IMO



Peters could be in the Betty Ford clinic for all we know.

He could be injured

He could have a chemical imbalance or depression

or he could be just holding out we will find out after Thursday' game within a few days.

He is an asset to this team if he is healthy worthless if he is ill or addicted

He is trade bait if healthy. I have no interest in Peters as a player any longer.
BeastMode54
QUOTE (Trader @ Aug 27 2008, 10:35 PM) *
Peters could be in the Betty Ford clinic for all we know.

He could be injured

He could have a chemical imbalance or depression

or he could be just holding out we will find out after Thursday' game within a few days.

He is an asset to this team if he is healthy worthless if he is ill or addicted

He is trade bait if healthy. I have no interest in Peters as a player any longer.


That's just crazy talk
Bleed Bills Blue
QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 08:33 PM) *
Parker: Look, Jason, everyone knows you deserve the money, and you deserve it now. The Bills are not willing to give it to us right now. But I think we should sit out the pre-season and see what happens.

Peters: Cool, ah hates camp inyways.

Parker: Maybe they will realize how much they need you, maybe the new GM will panic, he's young and has a bright future but he's still green...

Peters: Yeah, lil green white boy.

Parker: Maybe the guys backing you up will show them how much of a dropoff there is between you and Walker, maybe, God forbid, there is an injury and they will be desperate for you, maybe the players like Trent will start to lobby for you knowing they're close to the playoffs and can't get there without a solid LT.

Peters: Hey man, didja bring them jelly doughnuts wit ya?

Parker: There is a lot that can happen, Jason, and we just don't know if the Bills will buckle. But we must stay resolute.

Peters: Whut dat mean?

Parker: Ultimately, if they don't buckle, it will set a strong standard for next year. They will know we are serious and capable.

Peters: Yeah, cable.

Parker: We'll let them off the hook once and be a team player but not twice. You're not going to miss any games or any paychecks. Any fines they give us I will get you back, I promise. If they don't buckle, just stay in shape, get ready to play on a moment's notice, and we'll come in a week before the real bullets fly, and work our butts off to get in the playoffs.

Peters: How much more I make if we git inta the playoffs?


LOL, Kelly, I think you transformed yourself into a fly and hung out on the wall in Peter's living room as he and Parker talked stategy. Nice job, forgive the slight editing on my part.

QUOTE (Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog @ Aug 27 2008, 08:33 PM) *
None of that happened. The Bills didn't buckle. The injuries didn't force the hand. The back-ups played pretty well. The young GM played it smart. They did set the precedent for doing it again next year. And now he will come in. It's possible he will wait a few weeks but I just don't think so.


Yup.
billybob
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Pro Bowl defensive end Aaron Schobel signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Friday that is potentially worth about $50.5 million over the seven-year deal.

The deal includes $20 million in guaranteed money and locks Schobel up through 2013, extending his current contract for four additional years. The new deal was reached after Schobel earned his first Pro Bowl selection last season, and now makes him the team's highest-paid player.

"Obviously, I had three years left on my deal so they didn't have to do anything ... so it's good: It's good for both of us," Schobel said after the Bills 28-17 preseason loss to Tennessee. "I like it here. This is my kind of style. I'm a small-town guy. I like the organization, I like the fans."

The 29-year-old Schobel has been a regular starter since his rookie season, after the Bills selected him in the second round of the 2001 draft out of Texas.

He's coming off a career year in which he finished third in the league with 14 sacks. That tied him with Bruce Smith for the fourth-highest single-season total by a Bills player and was the third time Schobel had reached double digits.

"We're trying to keep our good players, and one of the ways you do that is you go to them early and work out deals in order to keep your own," Bills vice president Jim Overdorf said. "Hopefully, Aaron finishes his career as a Buffalo Bill. That was one of his objectives in this, too."

Schobel had three years left on his previous contract, a five-year deal worth about $23 million that included a $6.75 million signing bonus. He was to make $8 million in base salary over the final three seasons, including $2.5 million this year.

With 60½ career sacks, Schobel is third in team history -- one behind Phil Hansen -- and is one of just 15 active NFL players (including Giants holdout Michael Strahan) with that many. Since 2003, only Miami's Jason Taylor, with 48 sacks, has had more than Schobel's 45½.

Schobel said he approached the Bills in seeking a new deal.

"That was my argument the whole time: 'Look what I've done. I think I should be paid for what I've done.
' And obviously, they stepped up and did it," Schobel said.

He said the size of the deal doesn't add any pressure on him.

"That's the one thing, I don't want be overpaid and I don't want to be underpaid. That's my motivation," Schobel said.



Poor Peters I know what he's thinking " they paid Schobel and I dominate that chump everyday in practice" but he doesn't understand, Schobel is an undersized blue collar high motor type player who deserved to get a new contract while Peters is one of those physically dominate players who gets by on his vast natural talent and is lucky to get anything.
eball
QUOTE (billybob @ Aug 27 2008, 11:19 PM) *
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Pro Bowl defensive end Aaron Schobel signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Friday that is potentially worth about $50.5 million over the seven-year deal.

Sounds to me as though Schobel went about it the right way.
billsfaningeneseo
QUOTE (billybob @ Aug 27 2008, 11:19 PM) *
Poor Peters I know what he's thinking " they paid Schobel and I dominate that chump everyday in practice" but he doesn't understand, Schobel is an undersized blue collar high motor type player who deserved to get a new contract while Peters is one of those physically dominate players who gets by on his vast natural talent and is lucky to get anything.


Or maybe because Schobel had I think 6 seasons under his belt at the time and was consistently productive in all of them. Peters has less than 1 as a LT. Had he played this year without any of this hold out, I have no doubt he would have been handsomely rewarded next offseason. The Bills simply wanted to make sure they didn't have a 1 year wonder, and also make sure Peters was completely recovered from his injury. Two perfectly valid things.
Bleed Bills Blue
QUOTE (billsfaningeneseo @ Aug 27 2008, 11:30 PM) *
Or maybe because Schobel had I think 6 seasons under his belt at the time and was consistently productive in all of them.


Led the team in sacks each of those years.
billybob
QUOTE (billsfaningeneseo @ Aug 27 2008, 11:30 PM) *
Or maybe because Schobel had I think 6 seasons under his belt at the time and was consistently productive in all of them. Peters has less than 1 as a LT. Had he played this year without any of this hold out, I have no doubt he would have been handsomely rewarded next offseason. The Bills simply wanted to make sure they didn't have a 1 year wonder, and also make sure Peters was completely recovered from his injury. Two perfectly valid things.

less than 2 seasons
julian
QUOTE (Trader @ Aug 27 2008, 10:35 PM) *
Peters could be in the Betty Ford clinic for all we know.

He could be injured

He could have a chemical imbalance or depression

or he could be just holding out we will find out after Thursday' game within a few days.

He is an asset to this team if he is healthy worthless if he is ill or addicted

He is trade bait if healthy. I have no interest in Peters as a player any longer.

a roster full of yes men...thats all you need as a bills fan?
you got to be shittin me wallbash.gif
billybob
QUOTE (Bleed Bills Blue @ Aug 27 2008, 11:41 PM) *
Led the team in sacks each of those years.

He's pretty crappy against the run and is on the downside of his career.
billybob
"Or maybe because Schobel had I think 6 seasons under his belt at the time and was consistently productive in all of them."

Peters has 4 seasons under his belt and has out performed expectations all four seasons

year 1 Peters dominates on special teams including a blocking a punt and returning it for a touch down.

year 2 Peters takes over from Mike Williams at RT gets rave reviews from opponents and coaches

year 3 Peters takes over from Mike Gaundy at LT again Rave reviews

year 4 Peters nominated for Pro-Bowl at LT, the only Bill nominated

his arrow has gone nowhere but up not like Schobel who tanked after he got paid
matter2003
QUOTE (VOR @ Aug 27 2008, 04:41 PM) *
The problem is that Parker has a reputation to uphold. I can easily holding Peters out just to not make himself look like a chump to prospective clients.


Unless Parker is gonna be giving Peters about 200K each week and pay another 250K in fines for him if he doesn't report by the end of camp, Peters will be here within....oh...the next week or so...


CSRABILLSFAN
Peters has been very productive for us and we would love for him to show up but I don,t see this happening and if he does show up and plays without a new contract will he play at 100%?
The Senator
QUOTE (matter2003 @ Aug 28 2008, 12:53 AM) *
Unless Parker is gonna be giving Peters about 200K each week and pay another 250K well over $500K in fines plus some portion of his signing bonus for him if he doesn't report by the end of camp, Peters will be here within....oh...the next week or so...

Fixed, except that there's nothing Parker can do to restore Peters' relationship with his teammates, management, and the fans, or his image around the league, if and when Peters ever plays football again - all things that will likely hamper Peters in any future contract negotiations.

And if Mr. I-Scored-A-Whopping-Nine-On-My-Wonderlic ever does show up for work, at this point it'll look like it was just to collect a paycheck, and his coaches and teammates aren't gonna be too thrilled to see a fat, outa shape, injured tub-of-goo that's been sitting on the couch, watching TV, lickin' barbecue off his fingers, while they've all been busting their humps getting ready for the season.

But besides the $500K+ in fines, damage to his reputation, relationship with his coaches and teammates, and risk to his entire future career, the holdout has cost Peters absolutely nothing so far.

Right. cool.gif
billybob
QUOTE (billybob @ Aug 27 2008, 11:19 PM) *
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Pro Bowl defensive end Aaron Schobel signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Friday that is potentially worth about $50.5 million over the seven-year deal.

The deal includes $20 million in guaranteed money and locks Schobel up through 2013, extending his current contract for four additional years. The new deal was reached after Schobel earned his first Pro Bowl selection last season, and now makes him the team's highest-paid player.

"Obviously, I had three years left on my deal so they didn't have to do anything ... so it's good: It's good for both of us," Schobel said after the Bills 28-17 preseason loss to Tennessee. "I like it here. This is my kind of style. I'm a small-town guy. I like the organization, I like the fans."

The 29-year-old Schobel has been a regular starter since his rookie season, after the Bills selected him in the second round of the 2001 draft out of Texas.

He's coming off a career year in which he finished third in the league with 14 sacks. That tied him with Bruce Smith for the fourth-highest single-season total by a Bills player and was the third time Schobel had reached double digits.

"We're trying to keep our good players, and one of the ways you do that is you go to them early and work out deals in order to keep your own," Bills vice president Jim Overdorf said. "Hopefully, Aaron finishes his career as a Buffalo Bill. That was one of his objectives in this, too."

Schobel had three years left on his previous contract, a five-year deal worth about $23 million that included a $6.75 million signing bonus. He was to make $8 million in base salary over the final three seasons, including $2.5 million this year.

With 60½ career sacks, Schobel is third in team history -- one behind Phil Hansen -- and is one of just 15 active NFL players (including Giants holdout Michael Strahan) with that many. Since 2003, only Miami's Jason Taylor, with 48 sacks, has had more than Schobel's 45½.

Schobel said he approached the Bills in seeking a new deal.

"That was my argument the whole time: 'Look what I've done. I think I should be paid for what I've done.
' And obviously, they stepped up and did it," Schobel said.

He said the size of the deal doesn't add any pressure on him.

"That's the one thing, I don't want be overpaid and I don't want to be underpaid. That's my motivation," Schobel said.



Poor Peters I know what he's thinking " they paid Schobel and I dominate that chump everyday in practice" but he doesn't understand, Schobel is an undersized blue collar high motor type player who deserved to get a new contract while Peters is one of those physically dominate players who gets by on his vast natural talent and is lucky to get anything.


BUFFALO, N.Y. — Defensive tackle Kyle Williams signed a three-year contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Thursday potentially worth $14.4 million.
The two-year starter is now signed through 2012 and is guaranteed $5.2 million over the next two seasons.
"We're very flattered," Williams' agent Albert Elias told The Associated Press. "When you're two years into a contract, these types of extensions aren't normally made.... We're really excited about it." Elias said the Bills contacted him last week to restructure Williams' contract.
The Bills confirmed the new deal, but did not release the terms.
Williams received a roster bonus of $1.75 million and will make a base salary of $700,000 this season, a significant raise over the $445,000 he was scheduled to make under his previous contract. Williams is also due a $1.5 million bonus in March. Williams had two years left on his contract.

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Offensive lineman Brad Butler signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Wednesday, following a season in which he took over the starting right guard spot.

Brad Butler

Butler

Terms of the extension were not immediately available, but Butler's new deal is expected to provide a significant raise over the $445,000 base salary he was scheduled to make this season. Buffalo's fifth-round pick in the 2006 draft out of Virginia had two years left on his contract and was scheduled to make a base salary of $530,000 in 2009.


I'm not saying Peters has an air tight case - but people who say he's like some type of mental deficient who has no case are just ignorant.
The Senator
QUOTE (billybob @ Aug 28 2008, 07:01 AM) *
BUFFALO, N.Y. — Defensive tackle Kyle Williams signed a three-year contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Thursday potentially worth $14.4 million.
The two-year starter is now signed through 2012 and is guaranteed $5.2 million over the next two seasons.
"We're very flattered," Williams' agent Albert Elias told The Associated Press. "When you're two years into a contract, these types of extensions aren't normally made.... We're really excited about it." Elias said the Bills contacted him last week to restructure Williams' contract.
The Bills confirmed the new deal, but did not release the terms.
Williams received a roster bonus of $1.75 million and will make a base salary of $700,000 this season, a significant raise over the $445,000 he was scheduled to make under his previous contract. Williams is also due a $1.5 million bonus in March. Williams had two years left on his contract.

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Offensive lineman Brad Butler signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Wednesday, following a season in which he took over the starting right guard spot.

Brad Butler

Butler

Terms of the extension were not immediately available, but Butler's new deal is expected to provide a significant raise over the $445,000 base salary he was scheduled to make this season. Buffalo's fifth-round pick in the 2006 draft out of Virginia had two years left on his contract and was scheduled to make a base salary of $530,000 in 2009.


I'm not saying Peters has an air tight case - but people who say he's like some type of mental deficient who has no case are just ignorant.

Not sure what your point is - the Bills aready did the same thing with Peters, two years into his last contract...

"In 2005, Peters beat out former Texas star Mike Williams for starting right tackle on the Bills. Peters was rewarded for his play, signing a five-year, $15 million contract extension with the Bills in the offseason."
billybob
QUOTE (The Senator @ Aug 28 2008, 07:17 AM) *
Not sure what your point is - the Bills aready did the same thing with Peters, two years into his last contract...

"In 2005, Peters beat out former Texas star Mike Williams for starting right tackle on the Bills. Peters was rewarded for his play, signing a five-year, $15 million contract extension with the Bills in the offseason."


My point is that the Bills have already set precedent of renegotiating when performance outstrips pay- the difference is Peters has out-performed two contracts - and sure he already is making big money but just like Ralph complains when he's only pulling in 26mil because other owners are making 4x that, it's all relative.
yall
Wait a minute...

Peters?

Parker?

Peter Parker?

Maybe he is out fighting crime??? nana.gif
nucci
QUOTE (billybob @ Aug 28 2008, 07:59 AM) *
My point is that the Bills have already set precedent of renegotiating when performance outstrips pay- the difference is Peters has out-performed two contracts - and sure he already is making big money but just like Ralph complains when he's only pulling in 26mil because other owners are making 4x that, it's all relative.

All those players showed up to camp to practice and to be there with their teammates, unlike Peters.
Reed83Evans
QUOTE (billybob @ Aug 28 2008, 07:59 AM) *
My point is that the Bills have already set precedent of renegotiating when performance outstrips pay- the difference is Peters has out-performed two contracts - and sure he already is making big money but just like Ralph complains when he's only pulling in 26mil because other owners are making 4x that, it's all relative.


I am wondering, with all of your quotes of past articles indicating the Bills reneogiating deals and your obessive justification as to why Peters deserves a new deal are you infact Parker or Peters? If you are - Get you A$$ to camp and we'll talk a new contract thumbsup.gif
pkwwjd
QUOTE (nucci @ Aug 28 2008, 08:18 AM) *
All those players showed up to camp to practice and to be there with their teammates, unlike Peters.

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner

Add to that the other players didn't have the arrogant attitude that showed that they would have a problem continuing to play for their current contract numbers. Each one was (while probably privately hoping) publicly somewhat surprised that the Bills gave them extensions. Humility ... it goes a long way in dealing with your boss.
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