I am not sure I want a player on my roster with a financial chip on his shoulder.

It appears we may not see this guy for awhile and that will not help the Bills in 2008.

I realize he is a great Offensive linemen but Jason can not help the Bills in street clothes.

It may not be such a bad move for the Buffalo Bills to move on and focus on the team first!


I do not like the injury situation, the length of his current contract and the way Jason Peters and his agent handled the entire situation.

The ENTIRE process REEKS of behind the scene, closed door, problems and we may never get the real truth from the media or the team.

I am sure the PLAYERS are pretty pissed off about the situation...but it sets a bad example on how to rework a new deal!

All I am saying here is............it may not be such a bad move by the Bills to explore other options and perhaps .........they already have.

Just my opinion!

It's a thought, but why? He's not costing a roster spot, and the Bills can recoup some money from him, while letting him twist in the wind.

OK then... let me be the first.

It is idiotic to think that trading Peters is the right idea, if only because there is no way one would get a "solid LT" in return.

No one should take his holdout personally. It will end, his health and work will be evaluated, and if he is indeed healthy he will get his extension sooner or later. Once that happens a lot of the hoppin' and fumin' going on here is going to look mighty silly in retrospect.

umm...no
the bills are a team in the nfl...they need to pay top dollar for top players like every other team.
they can choose not to pay top dollar and the bills can continue to watch the post season on television with all thier fans.

3 way deal, yes it can happen!

He is worth at least a #1 draft pick

There is no problem paying the money, its how Peters went about it and the length of his current deal!

Most NFL teams would do exactly what the Bills are doing!

PLUS,he has not proven he is over the injury yet.

I would not commit CAP SPACE to an unproven injured player......would you?

The Bills do a good job of spending money [ dereck dockery ] every time market value goes up for for one position does that mean the Bills should tare up every contract at other postions to off set the new value

Please... please... put down the pipe.

Is Peters worth a #1? Sure, but why why why why why (and why) would any sensible person want to go back to square one with a draft pick? Because he held out? Jeebus man, it's a business. I am annoyed that he is holding out too, but anyone who thinks that Peters needs to be traded should google "nose cut... spite face."

Nice Lou Saban avatar, though.

why trade a guy who does not cost you much at all against the cap and is signed for three more years. The only way Peters has leverage is if the LT is terrible. The Bills hold all the cards otherwise.......bad advice from the agent. He is a top 10 LT, but hey, get to camp and re-do the deal while you show your committment to the team.
Unless someone is offering two number one picks why trade a guy you do not have to and that is not costing you much. Does he really want to sit out for three years and roll the dice at 30 yrs old for another contract after not playing for three years?

Trading Peters just because is stupid. The only reason you do it is if you can get tremendous value for him. Otherwise you sit on him. Trading him would be as bad as caving in to him. It would be a reward for being an a--hole because he would get a deal from his new team. So why do we help some other team at our expense? Holding onto Peters costs us little or nothing. He won't affect team morale sitting out, and if he reports week 10 the Bills will just tell him to stay home because he will be inactive.

PTR

Exactly. The Bills have the guy for not only three but four or five years if they want him. I can't believe how many people are willing to trade our best player, at a position we have been terrible at for a decade, when he is two weeks away from missing ONE GAME. It's mind-boggling.

The holdout will end at some point, he'll say he wants to concentrate on football, and we will cheer when he springs Marshawn Lynch for a 1st down on 3rd and 7.

That's another thing. As soon as he starts playing well, 95% of the people here badmouthing him to no end will love him.

Exactly right!

And, of course, we will all repress the thought that all of us, adults with real lives and actual concerns, in a world full of real problems that deserve our attention, are spending so much time obsessing about the whereabouts of a semi-literate young man who happens to be genetically blessed enough to make millions knocking the snot out of other similarly intellectually and physically endowed young men....

We're quick to forgive as long as he reports and plays had and earns his raise.

PTR

Absolutely. The guy just wants more money. He both deserves it, and doesn't deserve it, whichever way you CHOOSE to look at the glass. Both sides are valid. He's not going to get it yet, and IMO he shouldn't, and the Bills shouldn't pay him. But they probably will later and he and the Bills and the fans will be happy. He just wants it now, he's not a bad guy.

a 3 wat deal, this is not the NBA

Peters is a good LT not great...people give him more credit then he deserves because he was an undrafted TE

if Peters were to get traded it would be for draft picks and at this point i wouldnt have a problem with it...no way is this clown in shape so even when he does report ( and he will ) he wont be ready to play and will probably end up getting hurt

I dont think we should.....

I dont think we are that desperate at this point.....I really like what D. Bell has shown......the OL isn't looking that bad right now.

I say just wait Peters out.

r u his trainer?? last time i checked i dont think u r....

I also say just wait Peters out. But I think we are really taking an enormous risk with Walker and Chambers and Bell. It's borderline madness. It was nice to see them play well in pre-season, even against some starters, but how many times do people have to be burned about preseason before they realize it's a terrible predictor.

Maybe snag a veteran off of waivers in the next round of cuts......

You actually checked to see if Max997 was Perter's trainer? Man, you are dedicated...

Yes, trading Peters would provide the instant gratification some fans want. But as an owner or CEO of a franchise, you have to see the bigger picture and I'm sure Ralph is comfortable with just sitting tight.

If I was Ralph I'd be asking Russ one thing - be sure you have communicated our position clearly to Eugene Parker - get in, then we'll talk. Other than that, you sit tight and wait for Jason to walk in the door.

The NFL players and coaches thought for 2007 that Peters deserved to go to the Pro-bowl - I'm shocked to see so many Bills fan who think Buffalo never gets any national respect - think that somehow Peters made the Pro-bowl on some type of mass hysteria.

As for trading for Peters I wouldn't be looking to but if the right deal was offered sure- Jason Witten and a #1 maybe

Although I'd rather watch the Bills make the numskull squirm while he pisses away vast sums of $$$$, trading Peters is probably a non-starter since the trade would be voided when he fails his physical.

Too bad AMF invented automatic pin-setter - the pro bowler is gonna have a tough time finding work.

Is it likely that we get anything in return that helps us this season? I think it'd be a longshot.

So even if we decided the differences were unresolvable, why trade him for a first round pick now (say) rather than a 1st round pick in March when we'd know where the pick was, and we'd have almost a year to get through to him.

In fact, that's probably going to be true every year until he gets his butt to camp.

How is that different from caving in to his demands?

Pretty dumb if you ask me. Nope, just hang on to him for the next 3 years if he don't report by Week 1. That is if he's stupid enough to piss his NFL career away.

I really want to know who is behind this logic: him or his agent?

So you want to trade Peters because, "he is no help to the Bills in 2008" but you want a #1 draft choice in 2009? When are we going to develop a system to weed out the assclowns of TBD.

You can't get too optimistic from preseason. Opposing defenses aren't showing their stuff. Sure our reshuffled O-line looked OK & Bell looked servicable but how will they look when real bullets start flying in the regular season. You can bet opposing defenses will game plan around Langston lack of lateral quickness. That means we will have to devote a tailback for pass protection. We need Peters to realize the full potential our offense could achieve. One corner blitz from the blind side could end Edwards season.

bingo!! please continue to post...well done

I think this whole thing has got everyone frustrated. To the extreme!

The thing is, teams do not trade humans who are top flight Left Tackles, because there are so few. Well, almost never......

In 1979, the Patsies traded Leon Gray. He, along with John Hannah, had earlier staged a holdout.

In 2002, New Orleans traded Willie Roaf. He was having big time problems with his coach, and at the time there were said to be domestic issues. He was also coming off surgery for a torn acl, and was 32 years old. His contract? It was similar to what Peters makes now, despite the injury, and the fact that this was 6 years ago. Ya think salaries went up for LTs? Walker signed for more than this after a couple of lackluster seasons at Oakland at RT. Don't misunderstand, Walker was a very good signing. 5 mil. per season is a bargain for a good RT.

In any event, there were 2 notable trades of LTs in the last 29 years as I recall. Getting or giving up a LT in a trade is all but impossible. If you (or anyone) can recall more trades of LTs, I would be interested in reading about them.

Good post. Welcome aboard!

With articles like yesterday's from Tim Graham starting to surface, you have to believe Peters and Parker have begun to realize they don't have public (or private) sentiment on their side. I wrongly believed Peters would report after camp broke, but I still can't imagine he'll carry this into the regular season. Perhaps the Bills wind up playing a game or two without him, but I'll continue to predict Jason will be the starting LT for this team sometime in September.

Trading away a guy with the potential to be your cornerstone is not a smart business move -- any hard feelings that have been created by the holdout can and will be mended.

Like I said in my other post, the Bills won't trade him anytime soon. Not when they can recoup their money from him for the next few years.

Just for historical purposes: the Raiders traded Jim Lachey to Washington for Jay Schroeder in 1990.

That doesn't make it less of an anomaly, but I figured it was good to know. Such research helps me warm up for the coming semeser.

i'd rather have jp than not, but if he won't budge and we won't pay, i'd trade him for 2 firsts.

so

1 he comes back, playes great, and we pay him after another probowl season
2 we pay him now, he comes in
3 he just sits
4 we trade his ass for big picks

i'd go 1,2 then 4. a certain number of games in (especially if we play well) and 4 gets more and more likely

This is one of the reasons why I think we are actually quite fortunate that the Peters strategy is to say nothing. He knows that there is nothing he can say that will help his case with the fans or the Bills (maybe the typical NFL player pronouncement that not having the contract he wants takes food out of his kids mouths- yeah right).

If he were to say something on a regular basis then virtually guaranteed he would say something which hardened bad feelings with the Bills.

I agree that Peters should not hold out and should be there supporting his teammates. However, given that they have made a decision to hold out, this fan is happy he is saying nothing as I cannot think of anything he can say that would help or convince me what he is doing is right.

"recoup some money" vs. couple high draft picks

I'm not sure if some folks realize just how highly thought of Peters is around the league. The current issue of Sporting News has him rated as the 11th best PLAYER in the league - regardless of position.

You don't trade a guy as gifted as him unless you find out he's badly injured. The Bills hold all the cards here, there's no need to get froggy and jump.

There's no hurry to trade him now. Ideally he comes to his senses. If not, you see what teams are willing to offer for him.

How you gonna get a couple high draft picks for a 400 pound tub of goo with a torn up groin? Guy won't even pass a physical.

Better to bank the 9 game checks, take the $500K in fines out the the last seven game checks, and go hard after the signing bonus.

Why are we running a screen or a draw on 3rd and 7, is fairchild back?

Honestly, if the Bills were to trade him, id do it for nothing less then a first rounder. However, with him not willing to help the team out in a very important season, I say F him let him sit for 3 seasons..........like someone else said, watch his promising career go down the crapper

I'd say he's worth 2 firsts.

A high 1st (top-10) at least. Failing that, 2-1st rounders.

Be careful, there are some who believe he's hiding in a darkened room like the elephant man and his silence demonstrates it. The routine hernia surgery was botched, and he can't compete, but wants guaranteed money before admitting all this.

I'd agree the Bills hold most of the cards, and if (it's a big IF) the players become upset the team isn't reaching their potential, that may induce him to return. It's obvious he communicates with some of them, so perhaps a guy like Dockery becomes the go-between to address this issue to him.

Then again, maybe he doesn't care. Either way, he is a great player and not having him is a huge blow for a team that is looking to make the post-season.

I have come to believe that there is unfortunately a good sized mental illness component to this holdout.

Some of you are reading into what I said, I simply don't believe in placing a player ahead of the team.

This entire situation could have been handled differently and I place little or no blame on the Buffalo Bills.

Some fans simply need to understand a contract is a contract, and Jason signed it!

Where was is agent on that day?