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http://www.mlbnewsonline.com/2008/07/sourc...l-imminent.html

Embattled former Giants slugger Barry Bonds has entered into formal contract negotiations with the Yankees, and a consummation of the deal is anticipated forthwith, a confidential clubhouse source told MLBNewsOnline.com.

I sure hope it is a joke.
erynthered
I hope not too. huh.gif
bills_fan
Every Yankee fan knows its the right move. Atta boy Cashman...first Sexson, who for $158,000 is a great signing to play vs lefties and now Baroid...

Damon
Jeter
Abreu
Arod
Baroid
Posada
Giambi/Sexson
C&C .200 boys.
Bmwolf21
I can't tell you how excited I am for another round of Baroid coverage, this time "enhanced" by additional Yankees coverage. bag.gif
erynthered
QUOTE (bills_fan @ Jul 17 2008, 06:39 PM) *
Every Yankee fan knows its the right move. Atta boy Cashman...first Sexson, who for $158,000 is a great signing to play vs lefties and now Baroid...

Damon
Jeter
Abreu
Arod
Baroid
Posada
Giambi/Sexson
C&C .200 boys.


Well, this Yankee fan for more than 40 years thinks it would be foolish to sign Bonds..
KD in CT
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 08:34 AM) *
Well, this Yankee fan for more than 40 years thinks it would be foolish to sign Bonds..



Sexton huh? HE could use some steriods.
Endzone Animal
This lifetime fan stops rooting for the Yankees if they sign that lowlife criminal. What's next, Clemens?
LongLiveRalph
I don't understand how signing Sexson, a guy who has hit .212 the last three seasons and strikes out 2-3 times a game is a good move, but refusing to sign one of the best players of his generation at the league minimum is a bad move. I understand Barry's baggage, but what's wrong with a .480 OBP and the 15-20 HR's he'd probably hit in Yankee Stadium?

Also, Barry's "distraction" stuff is b.s. How is that going to affect anybody on the team? They already deal with so much media b.s. in New York to begin with, all Barry would do is give ARod a break.

Bonds is no gold glove anymore, but if the Yanks really think they're going to jump over TWO teams in the East with that batboy playing LF, they're way off...
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 09:03 AM) *
I don't understand how signing Sexson, a guy who has hit .212 the last three seasons and strikes out 2-3 times a game is a good move, but refusing to sign one of the best players of his generation at the league minimum is a bad move. I understand Barry's baggage, but what's wrong with a .480 OBP and the 15-20 HR's he'd probably hit in Yankee Stadium?

Also, Barry's "distraction" stuff is b.s. How is that going to affect anybody on the team? They already deal with so much media b.s. in New York to begin with, all Barry would do is give ARod a break.

Bonds is no gold glove anymore, but if the Yanks really think they're going to jump over TWO teams in the East with that batboy playing LF, they're way off...


Signing an injury prone player at soon to be 45 years old is fcuking stupid. And its Sexton, not Sexson.

Also, I dont think the Yanks even have the pitching to leap the Sox and the Rays. So signing Baroid is a waste of time and money.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 09:10 AM) *
And its Sexton, not Sexson.


Try again.

QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 09:10 AM) *
Signing an injury prone player at soon to be 45 years old is fcuking stupid.
Also, I dont think the Yanks even have the pitching to leap the Sox and the Rays. So signing Baroid is a waste of time and money.


Signing a guy who hasn't produced in 5 years, hits in the low-.200's, and strikes out like a maniac is fcuking stupid.

Signing a veteran at $3M a year who will likely hit 15 HR's, get on base nearly 50% of the time, and doesn't have to play everyday doesn't seem too stupid.
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 09:21 AM) *
Try again.



Signing a guy who hasn't produced in 5 years, hits in the low-.200's, and strikes out like a maniac is fcuking stupid.

Signing a veteran at $3M a year who will likely hit 15 HR's, get on base nearly 50% of the time, and doesn't have to play everyday doesn't seem too stupid.



I thought it was Sexton. I cant believe Google was wrong too. I guess I'm in good company. rolleyes.gif

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...ees+sign+Sexton

I never said I liked the Sexton signing either. Fcuk Sexton and Bonds. Clear?

Oh, and you assume to much with Bonds numbers if they did sign him. Which is also stupid.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 09:33 AM) *
Oh, and you assume to much with Bonds numbers if they did sign him. Which is also stupid.


My "assumption" is based on the fact that in 340 AB's last year, he hit 28 HR's and had 66 RBI's. He walked 150 times and struck out only 54. His OBP was .480 and his batting average is .298 career, and he hit a respectable .276 last year. He'd be playing in one of the most lefty-friendly ballparks in the league. I don't see what's such a stretch about guessing what he could do over the final 60 games for a team like the NYY.

And I fail to see how he could possibly be MORE of a distraction in a clubhouse that is a soap opera everyday no matter what. Barry in SF may have been a problem, with his huge salary and recliner in the locker room. In NY, he'd be the 5th-best player on a team full of vets, and he's already had to swallow his pride for 5 months this season as nobody has wanted him.

Yanks fans have no trouble embracing steroid freak Giambi when he's producing. Maybe Bonds should grow a stache.
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 09:40 AM) *
My "assumption" is based on the fact that in 340 AB's last year, he hit 28 HR's and had 66 RBI's. He walked 150 times and struck out only 54. His OBP was .480 and his batting average, and he's a career .298 hitter who hit .276 last year. He'd be playing in one of the most lefty-friendly ballparks in the league. I don't see what's such a stretch about guessing what he could do over the final 60 games for a team like the NYY.

And I fail to see how he could possibly be MORE of a distraction in a clubhouse that is a soap opera everyday no matter what. Barry in SF may have been a problem, with his huge salary and recliner in the locker room. In NY, he'd be the 5th-best player on a team full of vets, and he's already had to swallow his pride for 5 months this season as nobody has wanted him.

Yanks fans have no trouble embracing steroid freak Giambi when he's producing. Maybe Bonds should grow a stache.

5th best player? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Um. Lets see, half the Baseball season is over. What are BB numbers this year?

And quit with the broad brush, dude.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 09:45 AM) *
5th best player? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Um. Lets see, half the Baseball season is over. What are BB numbers this year?

And quit with the broad brush, dude.


Impressive post. Try making a point and perhaps we can discuss this rationally.

Your team blows and needs big time help. I fail to see how Bonds wouldn't help them.
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 09:55 AM) *
Impressive post. Try making a point and perhaps we can discuss this rationally.

Your team blows
and needs big time help. I fail to see how Bonds wouldn't help them.



I did in post number 9. But you decide to paint your wide brush on all Yankee fans instead.

My team blows? Very insightful. You should do Play by Play with Bob Uecker.
KD in CT
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 09:03 AM) *
Also, Barry's "distraction" stuff is b.s. How is that going to affect anybody on the team? They already deal with so much media b.s. in New York to begin with, all Barry would do is give ARod a break.



Good point here. Signing Bonds would probably add 30 points, 20 RBI and 8 HRs to ARod's second half totals. The Post is just killing him! laugh.gif
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 10:02 AM) *
I did in post number 9. But you decide to paint your wide brush on all Yankee fans instead.

My team blows? Very insightful. You should do Play by Play with Bob Uecker.


Your point is that signing an injury-prone 45-year old is stupid? What other options do they have? I'm sorry but when you have a $240 million payroll, missing the playoffs isn't exactly a consideration. Adding a 44-year old who has consistently produced his entire career (at the veteran minimum price) seems pretty reasonable to me, especially with the Yanks track record of signing past-their-prime money thiefs. Unless they want the House that Ruth Built to close down with a meaningless homestand against the Orioles, then by all means, let Richie Sexson swing away.

I apologize for citing stats that Bonds achieved a whopping 9 months ago. I'm sorry I couldn't produce any 2008 stats for you. The guy hit 28 HR's in windy Candlestick II, and is still feared by pitchers everywhere. He had RICH AURELIA protecting him in the lineup!!!! Why is it hard to assume a respectable production from one of the games greats, playing in Yankee Stadium, batting somewhere in between Jeter-Abreu-ARod-Giambi?
erynthered
QUOTE (KD in CT @ Jul 18 2008, 10:16 AM) *
Good point here. Signing Bonds would probably add 30 points, 20 RBI and 8 HRs to ARod's second half totals. The Post is just killing him! laugh.gif


Thanks for the heads up on The NY Post articles. thumbsup.gif


QUOTE
They will not be reaching out to Barry Bonds. Yankees officials simply expressed no desire to enlist a 44-year-old who has not played since last season, is beset with physical and makeup issues, would need a few weeks to prove he could or couldn't still perform, and has federal charges pending. The Yanks paid lavishly to retain A-Rod in some large part so he would be in their uniform when he breaks Bonds' all-time homer record. They hardly want to help Bonds extend that record further.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/07182008/sport...lems_120392.htm
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 10:31 AM) *
Your point is that signing an injury-prone 45-year old blah blah blah
I apologize for citing stats that Bonds. I'm sorry I couldn't produce any 2008 stats for you. The guy hit 28 HR's in windy Candlestick II, and is still feared by pitchers everywhere.



Yeah, They're all trembling at the thought of Barry getting back into Baseball.
Dude. You're fcuking hilarious, honestly.
KD in CT
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 10:31 AM) *
Thanks for the heads up on The NY Post articles. thumbsup.gif

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07182008/sport...lems_120392.htm



There was a funny story the other day about how none of his teammate (or Madonna!) came to his post-All Star game party. And one last week where they followed him around and took pics while he was checking out some random girl's ass. laugh.gif
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE
Yankees officials simply expressed no desire to enlist a 44-year-old who has not played since last season, is beset with physical and makeup issues, would need a few weeks to prove he could or couldn't still perform, and has federal charges pending.


Understandable and logical, even though the team has a legit chance to make the playoffs and Bonds could likely help them do that.


QUOTE
The Yanks paid lavishly to retain A-Rod in some large part so he would be in their uniform when he breaks Bonds' all-time homer record. They hardly want to help Bonds extend that record further.


If that's the real reason, that's pure idiocy....And highlights a major reason why the Yanks haven't won dick since ARod got there. Individual stats over team victory hardly sends a positive message. A home run crown with no ring is what ARod has been all about his whole career...Ask some of his Rangers' teammates why they called him Ice...They would win a game on a 9th inning RBI, but if ARod was 0-4, he wouldn't even celebrate.

A healthy ARod will hit 850 homers, Bonds' "record" shouldn't even be a consideration. Helping the team win games should be priority 1.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 10:42 AM) *
Yeah, They're all trembling at the thought of Barry getting back into Baseball.
Dude. You're fcuking hilarious, honestly.


142 walks in 126 games, 75 runs and a .480 OBP...28 HR's in 340 AB's (1 every 12 AB's)....

Continue to make zero points and disregard statistics...
KD in CT
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 10:44 AM) *
And highlights a major reason why the Yanks haven't won dick since ARod got there.


Maybe not, but look at the gate and TV revenues.
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 10:47 AM) *
150 walks and a .480 OBP...28 HR's in 340 AB's (1 every 12 AB's)....

Continue to make zero points and disregard statistics...


The point right now is, this gem by you:


"and is still feared by pitchers everywhere"


Also. I did make mention about the Yankees pitching a while back. I guess you missed that point, eh? rolleyes.gif





LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (KD in CT @ Jul 18 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Maybe not, but look at the gate and TV revenues.


Yep, those numbers are indisputable. But once again, everything surrounding ARod is statistical or revenue-driven, and has nothing to do with winning.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 10:54 AM) *
The point right now is, this gem by you:


"and is still feared by pitchers everywhere"


Also. I did make mention about the Yankees pitching a while back. I guess you missed that point, eh? rolleyes.gif


Well, since you have called my bullschit and clearly have the pulse of MLB's pitchers, why don't you call Josh Beckett and ask him who he'd rather pitch to in September, with runners on in a big spot: Brett Gardner, Richie Sexson, Wilson Betemit, or Barry Bonds? I'm interested in his answer.

The Yanks pitching was actually worse last year. The difference was, they scored two runs or less 32 times ALL OF LAST SEASON. This year, they have scored two or less 32 times already, with 67 games left to play. The pitching has been hurt by Wang's injury and the young guys haven't come through, but in truth, the offense isn't good enough.

I know you disregard stats, but here you go:

2007 Yankees staff: 4.49 ERA, .268 BA against (team won Wild Card)
2008 Yankees staff: 4.12 ERA, .262 BA against (team is in 3rd place in division, hovering around .500)


Good point about the pitching. thumbsup.gif
BC Bills Fan
As far as Sexon goes, I like the signing. The Yanks pay him prorated league minimum- less than $200K, since the Mariners are still paying his contract, and his splits against lefties this season are pretty respectable- .344/.423/.623- an area in which the Yanks have been lacking this season. I understand, though, that this is in only 71 plate appearances against lefties, so it's a small sample size. So, the yanks put him in against lefties and hope he's a one dimensional player that crushes lefties instead of a no dimensional player that is totally washed up. If he sucks, they release him, short $150K or so- pocket change.
erynthered
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 11:04 AM) *
Good point about the pitching. thumbsup.gif



Thanks. I love stats. Thanks for posting them. Now if you could only learn to read, you'd be set to go. I said: Also, I dont think the Yanks even have the pitching to leap the Sox and the Rays.

Is the season over?

If I did ask Josh, I'd think he'd say Barry. Cause he hasn't played all FCUKING year.



"and is still feared by pitchers everywhere"
I may have to make this my new Sig cause its a butte


bills_fan
QUOTE (BostonCollegeBillsFan @ Jul 18 2008, 11:08 AM) *
As far as Sexon goes, I like the signing. The Yanks pay him prorated league minimum- less than $200K, since the Mariners are still paying his contract, and his splits against lefties this season are pretty respectable- .344/.423/.623- an area in which the Yanks have been lacking this season. I understand, though, that this is in only 71 plate appearances against lefties, so it's a small sample size. So, the yanks put him in against lefties and hope he's a one dimensional player that crushes lefties instead of a no dimensional player that is totally washed up. If he sucks, they release him, short $150K or so- pocket change.



Thank you for bringing some sense here. Sexson was signed strictly to play 1st vs. lefties. No other reason. He will not see a RH pitch all year with the Yankees.

As far as Bonds goes, putting his presence in the middle of the Yankee lineup can certainly not hurt at all. With Matsui going down for the year (a huge loss BTW), Bonds would serve a useful role there. ARod would see a lot more fastballs, Bonds, who still has an excellent batting eye, would hand the baton over more often than not. Once he jacks a few out, pitchers would pitch around him and put many more runners on base for Giambi/Sexson and the rest of the lineup. From a purely baseball perspective, there is no reason not to sign Bonds.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (erynthered @ Jul 18 2008, 11:14 AM) *
Thanks. I love stats. Thanks for posting them. Now if you could only learn to read, you'd be set to go. I said: Also, I dont think the Yanks even have the pitching to leap the Sox and the Rays.

Is the season over?

If I did ask Josh, I'd think he'd say Barry. Cause he hasn't played all FCUKING year.



"and is still feared by pitchers everywhere"
I may have to make this my new Sig cause its a butte


Once again, I apologize for being unable to post any 2008 numbers to back up my claims, and thus being forced to revert WAY back to nine months ago when NOBODY wanted to pitch to Bonds. But you're probably right, one of the greatest hitters of any lifetime has probably forgotten how to make contact since last September.

Strictly as a baseball player, 30 teams in MLB would leap at the chance to have him at $3M for one season (now likely prorated down to $1.3M) Obviously the guy comes with baggage and that's why he hasn't been signed. I think that in NY media and in the Yankees clubhouse, the baggage is minimized more than anywhere else. I think the Yanks could use him more than anyone else, other than maybe the Rays and Dbacks.

I would be interested to see what a guy who walked more than once per game, and hit a HR once every 12 at-bats with Rich Aurelia batting behind him, could do in the middle of the Yankees lineup. If you don't want to see that, as a fan of the team, I fail to understand. You are in 3rd place...If Bonds sucks, you pay him the minimum, finish in 3rd place, and tell him to beat it. If Bonds lights it up, you might make a run at the playoffs and the chance to send Yankee Stadium out in style.

There's always next year in their new palace, "The House that Brett Gardner Built."
erynthered
QUOTE (BostonCollegeBillsFan @ Jul 18 2008, 11:08 AM) *
As far as Sexon goes, I like the signing. The Yanks pay him prorated league minimum- less than $200K, since the Mariners are still paying his contract, and his splits against lefties this season are pretty respectable- .344/.423/.623- an area in which the Yanks have been lacking this season. I understand, though, that this is in only 71 plate appearances against lefties, so it's a small sample size. So, the yanks put him in against lefties and hope he's a one dimensional player that crushes lefties instead of a no dimensional player that is totally washed up. If he sucks, they release him, short $150K or so- pocket change.


Ok. I see your point. Though no matter how Sexson pans out, the Yankees still need to get better offensive results throughout the lineup to make the playoffs.
apuszczalowski
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 18 2008, 11:23 AM) *
Once again, I apologize for being unable to post any 2008 numbers to back up my claims, and thus being forced to revert WAY back to nine months ago when NOBODY wanted to pitch to Bonds. But you're probably right, one of the greatest hitters of any lifetime has probably forgotten how to make contact since last September.

Strictly as a baseball player, 30 teams in MLB would leap at the chance to have him at $3M for one season (now likely prorated down to $1.3M) Obviously the guy comes with baggage and that's why he hasn't been signed. I think that in NY media and in the Yankees clubhouse, the baggage is minimized more than anywhere else. I think the Yanks could use him more than anyone else, other than maybe the Rays and Dbacks.

I would be interested to see what a guy who walked more than once per game, and hit a HR once every 12 at-bats with Rich Aurelia batting behind him, could do in the middle of the Yankees lineup. If you don't want to see that, as a fan of the team, I fail to understand. You are in 3rd place...If Bonds sucks, you pay him the minimum, finish in 3rd place, and tell him to beat it. If Bonds lights it up, you might make a run at the playoffs and the chance to send Yankee Stadium out in style.

There's always next year in their new palace, "The House that Brett Gardner Built."

So why hasn't anyone jumped at that chance.

Now are we talking about a team getting Bonds on or off the 'roids? Quote all the stats you want on him over the last couple seasons, but those stats are all tainted if he was on 'roids

Thats why no one wants him, because no one is sure what he can do at age 44-45 without being on the juice, or if he could even stay healthy enough for the remaining 67 games without any help from the pharmacy.

And this is coming from someone who dispises the Yanks, and Sox, and a fan of a team that is in rumors occasionally about getting Bonds (The Jays). I'd rather miss the playoffs again, then take a chance on him
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ Jul 21 2008, 11:18 AM) *
So why hasn't anyone jumped at that chance.


It's likely because the owners and GMs have decided as a group to blackball the guy. Everyone was guilty during the steroid era, and they all just want to put it behind them. The Clemens circus didn't help Bonds either. Bonds also doesn't help himself. He is always cold with the media and was known as a me-first guy in the clubhouse. However, I think that hanging out to dry for the last five monnths may have dented Bonds' ego a bit, and if he went to an established team with veterans, he wouldn't be the top dog and wouldn't act like God's gift the way he did with a young team in SF.

QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ Jul 21 2008, 11:18 AM) *
Now are we talking about a team getting Bonds on or off the 'roids? Quote all the stats you want on him over the last couple seasons, but those stats are all tainted if he was on 'roids. Thats why no one wants him, because no one is sure what he can do at age 44-45 without being on the juice, or if he could even stay healthy enough for the remaining 67 games without any help from the pharmacy.


The only stats I have quoted in this thread were from last season. He was 43 years old and off the juice. He hit 28 HR's in 340 AB's. He was walked more than once per game. His OBP was .480. He struck out only 50 times. Again, I'm not seeing how he was able to do that less than one year ago, and now he's washed up. He was an all-time great before he was on the juice, he was a freak when he was on the juice, and he was productive last season when he was off it.

QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ Jul 21 2008, 11:18 AM) *
And this is coming from someone who dispises the Yanks, and Sox, and a fan of a team that is in rumors occasionally about getting Bonds (The Jays). I'd rather miss the playoffs again, then take a chance on him


Understandable. But is missing the playoffs an option in the Bronx? When their archrival has won twice in the last three years? When they have a $240 million payroll? When they're shuttering their historic stadium? When they have MLB's most demanding media and fan base, who will LOVE a winner no matter what???
erynthered
QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ Jul 21 2008, 11:18 AM) *
So why hasn't anyone jumped at that chance.

Now are we talking about a team getting Bonds on or off the 'roids? Quote all the stats you want on him over the last couple seasons, but those stats are all tainted if he was on 'roids

Thats why no one wants him, because no one is sure what he can do at age 44-45 without being on the juice, or if he could even stay healthy enough for the remaining 67 games without any help from the pharmacy.

And this is coming from someone who dispises the Yanks, and Sox, and a fan of a team that is in rumors occasionally about getting Bonds (The Jays). I'd rather miss the playoffs again, then take a chance on him


Exactly. wink.gif
apuszczalowski
QUOTE (LongLiveRalph @ Jul 21 2008, 11:47 AM) *
It's likely because the owners and GMs have decided as a group to blackball the guy. Everyone was guilty during the steroid era, and they all just want to put it behind them. The Clemens circus didn't help Bonds either. Bonds also doesn't help himself. He is always cold with the media and was known as a me-first guy in the clubhouse. However, I think that hanging out to dry for the last five monnths may have dented Bonds' ego a bit, and if he went to an established team with veterans, he wouldn't be the top dog and wouldn't act like God's gift the way he did with a young team in SF.



The only stats I have quoted in this thread were from last season. He was 43 years old and off the juice. He hit 28 HR's in 340 AB's. He was walked more than once per game. His OBP was .480. He struck out only 50 times. Again, I'm not seeing how he was able to do that less than one year ago, and now he's washed up. He was an all-time great before he was on the juice, he was a freak when he was on the juice, and he was productive last season when he was off it.



Understandable. But is missing the playoffs an option in the Bronx? When their archrival has won twice in the last three years? When they have a $240 million payroll? When they're shuttering their historic stadium? When they have MLB's most demanding media and fan base, who will LOVE a winner no matter what???

If there was anyteam that would take a chance on him, in my opinion it is the Yankees because they will try to win at all costs

And I think the so called "black balling" by the owners is more just them worried about singing the guy for the year, and then at any time possibly losing him if he ends up in prison.

Also, no one knows when he stopped juicing, so lets say he did just before last season, you won't see a quick decline in his play and stats, but you will see a sharper decline over time so chances are very good, he won't put up numbers close to last years. You are now looking at a 44-45 year old who's stats are declining, and who already had trouble staying healthy.

Personally, if Baseball is going to stick to Pete Roses punishment so hard, they should do the same for Barry, and discipline him and stick with it if it is proven he did 'roids.
inkman
How many DH's can the Yankees afford (defensively) to put onto the field at once?
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