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KD in CT
Linky

I like Randolph but the bottom line is the Mets have underachieved during his tenure. If they miss the playoffs this year, they need to consider making a change.
erynthered
QUOTE (KD in CT @ May 21 2008, 12:44 PM) *
Linky

I like Randolph but the bottom line is the Mets have underachieved during his tenure. If they miss the playoffs this year, they need to consider making a change.



What an ass. He's toast. Hey I read Pedro may retire after this year so he can tend to his Popi.
In space no one can hear
QUOTE (KD in CT @ May 21 2008, 12:44 PM) *
Linky

I like Randolph but the bottom line is the Mets have underachieved during his tenure. If they miss the playoffs this year, they need to consider making a change.



Time to bring back Bobby V!!!!
Big Bad Boone
Willie will be gone at the end of the year, when we've inexplicably missed the playoffs again.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (In space no one can hear @ May 21 2008, 02:38 PM) *
Time to bring back Bobby V!!!!


AGBAYANI BATS CLEANUP!!!
slothrop
As a Mets fan I like Willy. But, after watching many of their games, I think he will be gone by the all-star break if they are not in first place.

My question is, how much can you blame Willy for Heilman sucking ass?
bills_fan
You know he's losing it when he brings up the "poor" treatment Isiah Thomas received.
KD in CT
QUOTE (In space no one can hear @ May 21 2008, 02:38 PM) *
Time to bring back Bobby V!!!!



What's Davey doing these days?? biggrin.gif
Bullpen
Why doesn't Cito Gaston get another skipper job is what I've been asking for years? blink.gif
slothrop
Aaron Heilman sucks ass! ARGH! censored.gif
KD in CT
QUOTE (slothrop @ May 24 2008, 08:26 AM) *
Aaron Heilman sucks ass! ARGH! censored.gif


I'm getting close to the LSI point already with this team. Fuggin' A, when Chipper and Smoltz finally retire will the Mets stop being the Braves permanent prison-yard bitch? Or will they just pass it along to the next generation?

It's nice to see a few guys getting fired up, but it seems like the guys with the fire are the ones management doesn't want around. LoDuca was a ghost by mid season last year because he was outspoken. There was a very negative reaction to Wagner's blow up. Nice to finally see Wright showing a little leadership, but since true leaders apparently aren't going to come from the players, they better find a manager who can fill that role.

It's just like the 80s, when they ran great players like Dykstra and Mitchell out of town for being too vocal/wild and brought in milquetoasts like Samuel, Viola and McReynolds (my all time least favorite Met).
slothrop
QUOTE (KD in CT @ May 24 2008, 07:55 AM) *
I'm getting close to the LSI point already with this team. Fuggin' A, when Chipper and Smoltz finally retire will the Mets stop being the Braves permanent prison-yard bitch? Or will they just pass it along to the next generation?

It's nice to see a few guys getting fired up, but it seems like the guys with the fire are the ones management doesn't want around. LoDuca was a ghost by mid season last year because he was outspoken. There was a very negative reaction to Wagner's blow up. Nice to finally see Wright showing a little leadership, but since true leaders apparently aren't going to come from the players, they better find a manager who can fill that role.

It's just like the 80s, when they ran great players like Dykstra and Mitchell out of town for being too vocal/wild and brought in milquetoasts like Samuel, Viola and McReynolds (my all time least favorite Met).


I agree with everything your said, except the McReynolds part. I used to love him and Hojo back to back in the lineup (albeit I was 12 years old and not difficult to impress).

I love Willy, but I just think it is a case of the team needing a shakeup. What is Davey Johnson up to?
taterhill
Everything will be OK....

Sincerely,

Gregg Jeffries & Hubie Brooks
slothrop
I would be interested in this:

QUOTE
Posted: Saturday May 24, 2008 08:01AM ET

Gary Carter who is managing the independent Orange County (Calif.) Flyers, is again talking his way out of a job - a job that still belongs to Willie Randolph. Asked about his interest in managing the Mets on "The Mike and Murray Show" on Sirius Satellite Radio, Carter said: "Boy, I'll tell you what. I would love that, guys. When I saw that on ESPN today ... I got on the phone and I called (Mets VP of media relations) Jay Horwitz and I asked Jay, 'Should I try to call Mr. Wilpon?' If there is this going on I just want them to know of my availability."
billsoverdue
QUOTE (slothrop @ May 24 2008, 03:19 PM) *
I would be interested in this:

ohmy.gif WOW

What a jacka$$........Carter, that is....
KD in CT
QUOTE (taterhill @ May 24 2008, 11:54 AM) *
Everything will be OK....

Sincerely,

Gregg Jeffries & Hubie Brooks


Thanks. We're not worried a bit.

Sincerely,

Vince Coleman & Bret Saberhagen

wallbash.gif
apuszczalowski
QUOTE (Bullpen @ May 22 2008, 11:23 AM) *
Why doesn't Cito Gaston get another skipper job is what I've been asking for years? blink.gif

Me too

He can have his old job back with the Jays anyday. How a guy like Gibbons can have a scure job and a guy like Gaston has not had one since leaving the Jays is wrong.
Bullpen
QUOTE (billsoverdue @ May 27 2008, 02:32 PM) *
ohmy.gif WOW

What a jacka$$........Carter, that is....


Lobbying for a job that isn't even "available" how cheeky! I was never sold on Carter's "aw-shucks" gimmick when he was with the Mets in the mid 80s anyway. I bet Willie would love to hop into a Delorian and go back in time to an 80's exhibition game and dot Carter right between the eyes on a double play throw over to first.


QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ May 28 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Me too

He can have his old job back with the Jays anyday. How a guy like Gibbons can have a scure job and a guy like Gaston has not had one since leaving the Jays is wrong.


I don't get it really, I know he had a big falling out with Jays ownership a couple years after the WS wins, but so many teams just keep retreading the same old managers, I'm shocked he doesn't get brought up more in managing conversations. Maybe, he's the one not interested? unsure.gif
slothrop
QUOTE (Bullpen @ May 28 2008, 04:32 PM) *
Lobbying for a job that isn't even "available" how cheeky! I was never sold on Carter's "aw-shucks" gimmick when he was with the Mets in the mid 80s anyway. I bet Willie would love to hop into a Delorian and go back in time to an 80's exhibition game and dot Carter right between the eyes on a double play throw over to first.


I disagree. Carter was one of the few guys who kept that '86 team, from completely imploding on itself. From what I know he is a very smart baseball guy who is well respected by players. This is not to say that Willy isn't. However, the team needs a wake-up call and I don't think addition/subtraction of players will do it.

I will stick to my prediction - if they are not in first by the break Willy will be gone.
KD in CT
QUOTE (slothrop @ May 28 2008, 11:59 PM) *
I disagree. Carter was one of the few guys who kept that '86 team, from completely imploding on itself. From what I know he is a very smart baseball guy who is well respected by players. This is not to say that Willy isn't. However, the team needs a wake-up call and I don't think addition/subtraction of players will do it.

I will stick to my prediction - if they are not in first by the break Willy will be gone.



Yep. The big difference between then and now is the leadership of guys like Carter and Hernandez....they led from the front, on the field and in the locker room. They weren't afraid to get in someone's face if necessary (or trade fisticuffs with Straw on picture day laugh.gif ). Davy was also a 'players manager' but it worked because of the leadership from those guys. Man, that is still my favorite team in any sport, ever.
Bullpen
QUOTE (KD in CT @ May 29 2008, 08:01 AM) *
Yep. The big difference between then and now is the leadership of guys like Carter and Hernandez....they led from the front, on the field and in the locker room. They weren't afraid to get in someone's face if necessary (or trade fisticuffs with Straw on picture day laugh.gif ). Davy was also a 'players manager' but it worked because of the leadership from those guys. Man, that is still my favorite team in any sport, ever.


Oh I have no doubt he was a club house leader, but he also seemed very good and portraying himself as "everybody's all-american" also. I used to follow that team pretty close myself, and I think Keith was a more respected leader than Carter. Mets fan or not, "The Bad Guys Won" was an interesting book, whether entirely based on truth or not.

Here Mets-guys... found this today:

http://www.bugsandcranks.com/

Scroll down to the Mets post dated 5/28. "Oh the horror!!!"
billsoverdue
QUOTE (slothrop @ May 28 2008, 11:59 PM) *
I will stick to my prediction - if they are not in first by the break Willy will be gone.



FREE WILLIE!!
KD in CT
And so it ends.

Thanks for trying Willie. Take Omar with you please.
LongLiveRalph
QUOTE (KD in CT @ Jun 17 2008, 10:38 AM) *
And so it ends.

Thanks for trying Willie. Take Omar with you please.


I believe Keith Hernandez's mustache is the front-runner for next manager.
Bullpen
QUOTE (KD in CT @ Jun 17 2008, 09:38 AM) *
And so it ends.

Thanks for trying Willie. Take Omar with you please.


KD, I would be interested in you thoughts on how the Mets "handled" or "avoided handling" this situation.

The first word that comes to my mind is "gutless."
apuszczalowski
Another manager gone, and the jays still have Gibbons talking about how critical the next stretch of games is to staying in the race IN MID FREAKIN' JUNE!
Bullpen
QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ Jun 17 2008, 10:33 AM) *
Another manager gone, and the jays still have Gibbons talking about how critical the next stretch of games is to staying in the race IN MID FREAKIN' JUNE!


And you and I are still left wondering...

... wtf is wrong with Cito F-ing Gaston?!?!?
apuszczalowski
QUOTE (Bullpen @ Jun 17 2008, 01:38 PM) *
And you and I are still left wondering...

... wtf is wrong with Cito F-ing Gaston?!?!?

Nothing, Now that he is back in Toronto to coach the Jays for the rest of the year!

Reports are JP cleaned house today letting go of Gibbons, Whitt, the 3rd base coach and Denbo the hitting coach
Bullpen
QUOTE (apuszczalowski @ Jun 20 2008, 12:44 PM) *
Nothing, Now that he is back in Toronto to coach the Jays for the rest of the year!

Reports are JP cleaned house today letting go of Gibbons, Whitt, the 3rd base coach and Denbo the hitting coach


thumbsup.gif

That guy's gotta get one more run at manger position!

Think that Adam Dunn thing is gonna happen now? rolleyes.gif That whole thing didn't go over well did it?
KD in CT
QUOTE (Bullpen @ Jun 17 2008, 10:47 AM) *
KD, I would be interested in you thoughts on how the Mets "handled" or "avoided handling" this situation.
The first word that comes to my mind is "gutless."


Pretty poorly I'd say. Maybe the Mets got advice on how to handle it from the same PR firm that's been advising the Republican party for the last decade or so.

Apparently they didn't want to let him get back to NY with the local media in play, so yes I'd say "gutless" is a fair description.

What is most disturbing to me is how little scrutiny Omar has received. How can everyone be so surprised by the Mets' performance when 60% of the starting rotation were huge question marks going into the season and most of the lineup are either clearly over the hill (Delgado), no longer able to handle the physical demands of the game (Alou) or mediocre journeymen (Castillo, Chavez, Easley)? As the Yankees used to prove pre-Torre, payrolls don't win championships.

They need to clean house. Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Wright, Church and Reyes are the only guys I'd guarantee a roster spot. Aside from not living up to his contract, Beltran is a luxury that a team can only afford if it has other guys who will be team leaders. And for heaven's sake, hire a manager who will take command and keep Reyes on a very short leash. This team needs someone like Jim Leyland in a bad way.
Bullpen
QUOTE (KD in CT @ Jun 20 2008, 02:10 PM) *
Pretty poorly I'd say. Maybe the Mets got advice on how to handle it from the same PR firm that's been advising the Republican party for the last decade or so.

Apparently they didn't want to let him get back to NY with the local media in play, so yes I'd say "gutless" is a fair description.

What is most disturbing to me is how little scrutiny Omar has received. How can everyone be so surprised by the Mets' performance when 60% of the starting rotation were huge question marks going into the season and most of the lineup are either clearly over the hill (Delgado), no longer able to handle the physical demands of the game (Alou) or mediocre journeymen (Castillo, Chavez, Easley)? As the Yankees used to prove pre-Torre, payrolls don't win championships.

They need to clean house. Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Wright, Church and Reyes are the only guys I'd guarantee a roster spot. Aside from not living up to his contract, Beltran is a luxury that a team can only afford if it has other guys who will be team leaders. And for heaven's sake, hire a manager who will take command and keep Reyes on a very short leash. This team need someone like Jim Leyland in a bad way.


Agree with you on the Omar angle too. Seems like Omar sold Willie a bill of goods "you're my guy" "your job is safe" "you've got the job" all the way through the season right up until they boarded the plane for the west coast. Then once they're out there, Omar pulls the rug out from under him.

And you're also right, he wasn't exactly left a pantry full of talent either. It's too bad... Mets fans deserve better, IMO.
apuszczalowski
QUOTE (Bullpen @ Jun 20 2008, 02:01 PM) *
thumbsup.gif

That guy's gotta get one more run at manger position!

Think that Adam Dunn thing is gonna happen now? rolleyes.gif That whole thing didn't go over well did it?

Actually, the entire Dunn incident made me think something was emminent, and i figured it would come on a day off. JP is sounding like a guy doing whatever he can to save his own @ss right now. The way he made the comment made it sound very defensive. Normally, you would just get a "No, we have looked into it and do not feel he fits our needs", but instead he turned and made comments like the caller was making an attack on him by suggesting someone. Unless Toronto turns things around and makes the playoffs now, I don't see JP lasting longer then the end of this season, and I think he knows it too.

I don't really have a problem with the comments he made about Dunn, sure, maybe Dunn is overrated and only a home run hitter, but for a guy like JP to call him out, looking at the guys he has signed recently, Dunn would be an upgrade, so I feel he has no right to call him out. I actually like some of JP's signings. I think Ryan can be one of the best closers in the league, but he may have been rushed back too soon from the surgery. I don't mind Burnett either, I think he is a good middle of the rotation pitcher. I like Rolen and Eckstein too, and Scuttaro, Barajas, and Wilkerson have impressed me

I know alot of people in TO have been calling for the team to be blown up, but I really don't think they need to, they just need a few tweaks here and there. They have some great hitters, and one of the better pitching staffs in the league, I am just starting to wonder if the players were dogging it for the last little while to force management to get rid of Gibbons. I think just the change in coaching can turn this team around. We have seen flashes of what this team can do at various times this season. We have all seen that some of the players are better then how they have played recently, like Rios. They just need someone who can coach them to their potential and is a great baseball mind, and Cito might be able to do that. I just hope he wasn't out of managing for a reason and that this isn't just a PR move by bringing back in a guy that is a god in TO among Jays fans for leadinig them to their 2 World Series wins.
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